Houseface Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 hey,i have noticed recently that many people are starting to go to radial spokes on their front wheel...why? also, i can't see how a different spoke pattern will make a wheel stronger?can any one explain?steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Radial is weaker, but lighter as the spokes are shorter. Not recommended for use with disks. Rear wheels can only be spoked radially on one side as the forces on the drive side are too large.It also looks pimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nugent Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Radial is weaker, but lighter as the spokes are shorter. Not recommended for use with disks. Rear wheels can only be spoked radially on one side as the forces on the drive side are too large.It also looks pimp.Well there you have it, that's your answer in one post! I can't really add to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 I think it's pretty stupid to do it on weight-saving grounds, as you'll save approx f**k all grams, and it's not as strong as normal (3x) lacing. It breaks hub flanges, too. So I guess mostly people do it for pimp value, which I guess is up to them. I wouldn't do it, but meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Is radial where the spokes just go straight up, instead of being crossed over etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Is radial where the spokes just go straight up, instead of being crossed over etc?yaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Could always go 2X I guess if you want to save weight, but still retain strength? I didn't specify what pattern I was donig when I ordered my hub and spokes from Tart, and they gave me the correct length for 2X. Running fine now, so yeah, all good without the hassle of raping my hub/rim by running radial... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 I think it's pretty stupid to do it on weight-saving grounds, as you'll save approx f**k all grams, and it's not as strong as normal (3x) lacing. It breaks hub flanges, too. So I guess mostly people do it for pimp value, which I guess is up to them. I wouldn't do it, but meh.amen to that! but how does it break hub flanges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 If you imagine the one on the left is a spoke in a 3X lacing pattern (due to the way you twist the hub, meaning the spoke goes out at an angle), then imagine the right is radially laced, there's more material between the edge of the spoke hole and the edge of the hub in the direction the spokes being pulled in, so you have more strength basically There's less material stopping you from ripping the spoke out of the flange if you run radial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 (edited) For that reason loads of hub manufacturers say do not radial lace. 3x great strength and weighs 5 g more than radial. Edited June 12, 2006 by derf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 If you imagine the one on the left is a spoke in a 3X lacing pattern (due to the way you twist the hub, meaning the spoke goes out at an angle), then imagine the right is radially laced, there's more material between the edge of the spoke hole and the edge of the hub in the direction the spokes being pulled in, so you have more strength basically There's less material stopping you from ripping the spoke out of the flange if you run radial.Nice diagram, well explained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMunn Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 But theres also different strength qualities when building wheels radially or crossed. With crossed spoke wheels they give good side to side strength but the torsional strength is very good, so 4x rear wheels last longer, however with radial the torsional strength is poop but side to side strength is better because the spokes are coming straight from the hub, so when you put more tension on the spokes you wont find buckling as much of a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sixstreet Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nice diagram, well explained Well explained but I dont totally agree. Yes theres less material but radially laced spokes are in compression whereas 3X are primarily in tension (due to being tangential). So, where the spoke joins the hub it is trying to push the material from under the head of the spoke towards the centre of the hub, not trying to rip the flange apart.Radial lacing is bad for disc brakes because when you are braking, the rim of the wheel is still trying to roll whilst you stop the hub which tends to 'roll up' the spokes and stress them out. You can get away with this using rim brakes because you are stopping at the rim and the inertia at the hub is quite small comparitively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Well explained but I dont totally agree. Yes theres less material but radially laced spokes are in compression whereas 3X are primarily in tension (due to being tangential). So, where the spoke joins the hub it is trying to push the material from under the head of the spoke towards the centre of the hub, not trying to rip the flange apart.Radial lacing is bad for disc brakes because when you are braking, the rim of the wheel is still trying to roll whilst you stop the hub which tends to 'roll up' the spokes and stress them out. You can get away with this using rim brakes because you are stopping at the rim and the inertia at the hub is quite small comparitively. The top of the wheel will still be trying to rip the spokes out though, in that it's still effectively working by "hanging" the hub from the spokes as you roll along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 bearing in mind roadies rip front radial lace wheels apart i wouldnt want to use one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-man Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Radial is weaker, but lighter as the spokes are shorter. Not recommended for use with disks. Rear wheels can only be spoked radially on one side as the forces on the drive side are too large.It also looks pimp. Why did megamo equip dual disks come with them radial front then??My megamo wheelset of said bike had them radial 1 side infact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 i built my wheel radially because i was doing it myself and dont know how to do 3 cross yet but also wanted it looking pimp. strength is not so important on the front although there is a noticeable difference in riding with a radial wheel as opposed to a cross pattern in terms of lateral stiffnees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Why did megamo equip dual disks come with them radial front then??My megamo wheelset of said bike had them radial 1 side infactMy friend asked tarty to give him a radial wheel build for a disk and i think they refused to do it he was a total bull shitter though! because although radial will have side to side strength theres nothing to stop it folding itself forwards??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 yes there is, the spoke lengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.McMillan Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 has anybody got any pictures of 2x and 3x, also radial i want to see the difference between them, i can see the difference between radial and the others, bu whats diff between 2x and 3x, can you get 4x or 5x? help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 4X yes, never heard of anybody running 5X, however it would most likely be possible, just need longer spokes and some way of lacing them.Although since 3X is adequate for most people, and 4X for anyone else, it's hardly necessary really, weight:strength addition ration not really much (as in for the weight you're adding you aren't gaining much more strength)Just run a nice old school roadie solid (disc) wheel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 has anybody got any pictures of 2x and 3x, also radial i want to see the difference between them, i can see the difference between radial and the others, bu whats diff between 2x and 3x, can you get 4x or 5x? help? There's very little visual difference between 2x and 3x. In this pic of my bike, it's 2x front and 3x rear, and there's just not much of a difference to look at, unless you look closely/you built the wheels, like I did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramps Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Is it correct that 36 spoke wheels are needed for 4x building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Is it correct that 36 spoke wheels are needed for 4x building?nope you can cross 2x 3x or 4x for 32 hole and 36 holeash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backgren Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Why did megamo equip dual disks come with them radial front then??My megamo wheelset of said bike had them radial 1 side infactIt had 2x or 3x on the disc side, and radial on the non-disc side, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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