Onza 'citrus' Pads

[watto]

Well i called in at supercycles today so my friend (tom-trials) could get a tensile freewheel and there they was on a zoot with 35mm pads on front and 50mm length on the back, at first i thought they were plaz crm pads(why in super cycles i do not know) but went to squeeze the lever and they make a little sqidging-squeking noise as they touch the rim(this is while stationary) so i came to the conclusion they wern't as only soft compund pads make this kind of noise. So as you do you try them out...Well they were absolutly great held extremely well on a smooth rim, they almost feel quite hard on the lever, they are on par(or better) than zoo pads for use on smooth rims, but i think that with a little tar on a light grind these pads will be immense, also they should make quite a nice squeek. So i asked the guy about them and he said they will be out very soon as they are just creating the packaging for them. I will definatly be investing in a pair of the 50mm long pads when they are released so will my mates as we agreed on earlier.

Edited May 13, 2006 by watto

[rossman]

Sounds good. Ill be getting some.

[Connor]

sounds very good 35mm seems abit much

[JT!]

sounds very good 35mm seems abit much

Compared to the 50mm pads that most are?

I was looking forward to someone bringing out pads softer than the zoo's.

[Connor]

sorry read that wrong i though he said 35mm of pad, ah yea 35mm is quite short why do they make pads like that is there any advantages at all.

Edited May 13, 2006 by Snowy

[watto]

These seem really soft and wouldn't budge at all even when backhopping quite heavily immense pads in my mind anyway .

[Ash-Kennard]

for the company yes, they wear out quicker so people buy more.

also for thin frames with fat rims allows you to set the brake up easier.

[Sponge]

Compared to the 50mm pads that most are?

I was looking forward to someone bringing out pads softer than the zoo's.

I've heard people saying Tensile Bubblegum pads are even softer than Zoos... maybe its ultra ultra exagerattion, but there was a post in the Pad Review thread *I think*, talking about how short a time Tensile pads lasted on a grind, was pretty ridiculous time though, way under a day or so...

[ogre]

sorry read that wrong i though he said 35mm of pad, ah yea 35mm is quite short why do they make pads like that is there any advantages at all.

In theory you can put more presure into the little area, but i doupt it makes alot of difference, it's realy down to the material not how much of it there is.

[JT!]

I've heard people saying Tensile Bubblegum pads are even softer than Zoos... maybe its ultra ultra exagerattion, but there was a post in the Pad Review thread *I think*, talking about how short a time Tensile pads lasted on a grind, was pretty ridiculous time though, way under a day or so...

Well, they may be softer, but they're (from what i've heard) shit pads.

I want to try rimjam reds soooo bad.

[watto]

I've heard people saying Tensile Bubblegum pads are even softer than Zoos... maybe its ultra ultra exagerattion, but there was a post in the Pad Review thread *I think*, talking about how short a time Tensile pads lasted on a grind, was pretty ridiculous time though, way under a day or so...

No i have used both of these pads and zoo's absolutly anihilate the tenisle pads, there is no way that the tensile are softer, well not in my experiance anyway,in my opinion they should make the tensile pads in 50mm backings also .

but they're (from what i've heard) shit pads

TRUE !!!

Also you can get rimjam red on ebay for just over a tenner. (if your struggling to find them )

Edit: was bored so found the link for them

Edited May 13, 2006 by watto

[JT!]

Also you can get rimjam red on ebay for just over a tenner. (if your struggling to find them )

Yeah but they're in the shit white backings . I have some rimjam red material but setting up a brake on my bike has become a pain the the ass. So when i get a new frame i'll get it put into some proper backings and hey presto! We'll see what they're like.

[watto]

Yeah i'd like to see how they perform in the cnc'd backings maybe that would be a worth a try.

In theory you can put more presure into the little area, but i doupt it makes alot of difference, it's realy down to the material not how much of it there is.

yes but shouldn't the amount of contact area have something to do with it also ?

So guess its time to work out the area of contact each pad has

so length =35mm and say width is about 11mm so 35*11=385mm2 this x2 = total contact area = 770mm2

length =50mm width 11mm 50*11=550mm2 this x2 which would equal total contact area so 1100mm2

so therefore if my calculations are correct the 50mm will provide a more powerful brake.

Edited May 13, 2006 by watto

[ogre]

So guess its time to work out the area of contact each pad has

so length =35mm and say width is about 11mm so 35*11=385mm2 this x2 = total contact area = 770mm2

length =50mm width 11mm 50*11=550mm2 this x2 which would equal total contact area so 1100mm2

so therefore if my calculations are correct the 50mm will provide a more powerful brake.

But you can't put as much force through something as big (i know the difference in the said example isminimal). to do things with lamens terms: you have a peice of wood, a pin (represnting the smaller pad) and a brick(repressenting the larger pad) no if you pushed down on both with equal force whats gonna happen?

Ok so the example wasn't completely proportional to the pads but you get the idea right?

[watto]

yes i understand what you mean, but the force will be evenly spread working on more of an area and putting less stress onto the rim theoretically. But also if this was the case wouldn't most pad manufactorours (sp.... ) be making all their pads in 35mm backings, as it is a competitive market with pads always being bought and manfactorours fighting to get there pads widely used.

Edited May 13, 2006 by watto

[ogre]

there isn't alot of stress at the end of the day though, so you need not worry about your rim, unless you have almighty sausage fingers the size of small rodents lol. i wouldnt worry about it to much, like i said earlier it's more the compound that matters.

[JT!]

Yeah i'd like to see how they perform in the cnc'd backings maybe that would be a worth a try.

yes but shouldn't the amount of contact area have something to do with it also ?

So guess its time to work out the area of contact each pad has

so length =35mm and say width is about 11mm so 35*11=385mm2 this x2 = total contact area = 770mm2

length =50mm width 11mm 50*11=550mm2 this x2 which would equal total contact area so 1100mm2

so therefore if my calculations are correct the 50mm will provide a more powerful brake.

Something a wrote when the bubble gums first came out...

The force on the rim is increased when you use smaller pads. But when you reduce the sise of the pad, the surface area is being reduced.

On bigger pads, the force is less because it has a bigger surface area. But the surface area has been increase because there's more pad touching the rim.

. More surface area means more friction

. More force (the force against the rim) means more friction.

When you increase one the other one decease, and visa versa.

So that means that no matter what sise the pads are, they will always have the same braking power.

The force from the maguras piston is constant so that can be completely ignored, when I refer to 'force' above I'm referring to the force felt by the rim which vary with surface area.

That's why 35mm have the same braking power.

However, they will wear down quicker. 30% quicker in theory. But they're cheaper, because there are less of them. And they are easier to set up.

But, they're more prone to the rubber ripping off their backings (not saying they will but are more likely) because the base of the rubber is less, but the height is the same.

So to sum up really, it doesn't matter what sise the pads are.

Edited May 13, 2006 by JT!

[Davetrials]

Compared to the 50mm pads that most are?

I was looking forward to someone bringing out pads softer than the zoo's.

ive got plenty of soft rubber, ive never tried, u interested?

[Danny Swindlehurst]

They sound sweet,i think i might give them a wurll

danny...

[Dan6061]

My Bubblegum pads were well good.

I just ordered some more.

I set my ones up shit, so they've worn down at an angle, and is now a bitch to set-up.

[watto]

i found mine terrible . they lacked lock in wet and dry, and wear rate was less than desireable really, it looks like my wheel has been coated in tar in order to make it work . I wasn't terribly impressed with them really.

[nickyw]

Iam gonna get some of these.

[downhill_rob2@hotmail.com]

Slinger was using these onza pads back in october 2005, when i rode with him in morcambe, his brake was... erm... f**kING AWESOME!!!!!!

that was with a medium grind aswell

He couldnt set his brake up for shit though so his pads were hitting at a angle slightly, but was still an awesome brake

I want some... or the Koxx greens!

[Krisboats]

I've heard people saying Tensile Bubblegum pads are even softer than Zoos... maybe its ultra ultra exagerattion, but there was a post in the Pad Review thread *I think*, talking about how short a time Tensile pads lasted on a grind, was pretty ridiculous time though, way under a day or so...

A DAY!! Ha ha i wish, they lasted about 4 minutes and 200 yards down the road before half the pad was gone. This was on a 4 week old grind that that was light enough for me to have been running one single set of plazzies on for around 5 months. There was just a pile of pink fluff that had collected on the edge of the pad, the fluff being the pad material that had turned into little filing type bits.

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Edited May 15, 2006 by Krisboats

[Will Arnold]

A DAY!! Ha ha i wish, they lasted about 4 minutes and 200 yards down the road before half the pad was gone. This was on a 4 week old grind that that was light enough for me to have been running one single set of plazzies on for around 5 months. There was just a pile of pink fluff that had collected on the edge of the pad, the fluff being the pad material that had turned into little filing type bits.

they're meant for trials not road being honest now.