Illegal Drugs;

[Trebor]

Personally I feel that the only drugs which should exist (out of the illegals) are the naturals, those that need little to no human interaction in order to grow or intoxicate you (i.e. marry-huana, mushrooms, salvia and the cacti). I don't personally know the ins and outs of the other drugs (education issues ) but I've a fairly good knowledge of what I do do, i.e. alcohol, cannibis and very occasionally salvia and shrooms.

I think the general stance on the ills is a bit too bias. I think it was Bill Hicks that made the joke regarding mushroom use. The only time you're going to hear about drug-use on the news is the bad experiences and/or death. People can have very profound and incredible experience from drugs, ESPECIALLY with music - holy. You're perception gets changed and it always gives you something to think about afterwards (well, from Salvia/Shrooms).

I still can't see a reason for cannabis to be illegal. I think they should just legalise purple haze and make it available to over 18's or something. It's alot less harmful to you than alcohol and isn't gonna make you a bad person or anything.

I'm not really sure how this tides in with any other posts in here but hopefully it'll contribute somehow.

Moderation should be a word synonymous with drug use, then everything'd be alright

[Tomm]

It becomes a vote winner if the people want it to be. It's upto you and your opinion.

This will sound quite pathetic, but it's not what I think. At least not at the moment. There are way too many people with very conservative views on this subject for my vote to count. And I've not even said that's what I think anyway. I think the fewer people using heroin, the better really. I can't see your plan having a positive effect on the situation.

I still can't see a reason for cannabis to be illegal. I think they should just legalise purple haze and make it available to over 18's or something. It's alot less harmful to you than alcohol.

I don't know the statistics or whatever, but I've heard of quite a lot of people having psychotic episodes with weed, at a very young age. Compared to no-one my age having any ill-effects of alcohol. Perhaps it's just that people my age haven't developed alcohol-associated problems yet, but I think alcohol is probably less dangerous than marijuana. Also, schitzophrenia has got to be the most unpleasant illness you could possibly get. I think they're both dangerous and I'm not a particular fan of either of them.

However I suppose in terms of intoxicated people causing harm to other people, alcohol is the clear winner.

[Trebor]

However I suppose in terms of intoxicated people causing harm to other people, alcohol is the clear winner.

That's the main jist of my reasoning, although cannabis isn't available from your local store, drinks cabinet, fridge, partys - so there's no true telling of what could happen. I still feel it wouldn't screw people over as much as alcohol.

Oh well, it's not as though cannabis it's difficult to obtain. Police are fairly easy about it...

[ogre]

I'm not against drug users etc, i come from a fairly decent area so like most people drugs are seen as evil. and i go to a grammar school so theres hardly anyone who does anything illegal. it's up to them really. something alot of people miss out on is the fact that in the third worls contries etc where it's not illegal to produce them (or something on those lines) a nice chunk of the population grow and export them to support thier families so they arent all evil. My main issue is with people who smoke, it's thier decision etc it's just when i end up smelling like crap because of them which pisses me off.

[trials_pimp]

Why is everyone so quick to declare that they havent done anything??

Who cares if you have or havent, its yur choise.

You cant have a real opinion on the subject unless you have "tasted" both sides of the spectrum.

My opinion is that if people want to do drugs let them have at it. As long as they arent forcing people into it.

I can garuntee that the next time you go clubbing, about 30% of the people there will be on drugs, and alot of the Class A.

My only objection would be Heroin. Yes we all know what it does and how bad it is.

I cant comment on it really, I just dont aggree with it.

I found http://www.talktofrank.com/ Exteemly usefull on this subject.

It gives you a clear consice, open veiw on each product.

The Ups, Downs, costs, If its addictive, damage ect.

Have a good read on there

[Tomm]

I can garuntee that the next time you go clubbing, about 30% of the people there will be on drugs, and alot of the Class A.

It depends where you go - If you go to some "proper" dance clubs (rather than just shitty bars playing R'n'B which I hate so much ) then it'll be more like 90% for sure. And week in week out those people are all fine, maybe a bit dehydrated the next day. The dangers of pills is way too hyped up if you ask me.

When I was younger (12 ish) and that story about Leah Betts came out, I thought "drugs" were the stupidest thing ever, and that I would never ever get involved. But now I've had more experience and I'm not so naïve, I realise that the stuff I was told then is complete bollocks. It's crap that the powers that be don't trust the population to make decisions based upon the truth. Oh well.

[ogre]

When I was younger (12 ish) and that story about Leah Betts came out, I thought "drugs" were the stupidest thing ever

Might be before my time, care to explain the leah betts whatnot?

[anzo]

My only objection would be Heroin. Yes we all know what it does and how bad it is

Not exactly. Think logically about it. It's only 'bad' to the people that know the user, unless you were defining 'bad' as in 'strong'...as the words any Trainspotting fan will now 'If it was bad, we wouldn't do it'.

I have to say that drugs are a big part in my life, not as a user, but as a victim from friends. Something I'd rather not discuss on a forum, but you get the picture.

Obviously, having been effected by them (and done a few of them) its put me off for life now. I hate them and I always will, my mates do pills occasionally, they offer me but don't force it, which is good It does bother me that they do them, but hey, thats their opinions/believes...I can't change it so whats the point in complaining?

[pinky]

I think to trigger skitzophrenia youve got to have to be a little unstable mentally to begin with, I havent seen a change myself with my toking its really improved my way of living, but in a way its dragged me down. I used to have alot of anger problems and its helped in that aspect, I have a good job which I really love but it can be very stressful its just a way of unwinding. I love it and will never give it up, its a big part of my lifestyle I consider the risks and throw them out fo the window just because I dont think there is any.. apart from the inhaling smoke

crack is wack holla at me

Edited May 12, 2006 by pinky

[Tomm]

Might be before my time, care to explain the leah betts whatnot?

Some girl at university, very intelligent, had her whole life ahead of her etc. And she took a pill for the first time and died from it. Although she actually died from water intoxication. Oh, and it wasn't actually her first pill, either. That was a media myth.

There's more HERE, anyway.

EDIT: Dammit, Tom

[poopipe]

CRACK IS CRACKTASTIC.

actually, crack is indeed great - which is the root of the problem...

They're all great fun unless you go over the top. If I was to give advice to somebody it's to avoid the addictive stuff (well - try not to do them too often) and have some damn respect for everything else. If you get all smart assed and brave with them they'll kill you or at the very least scare the living shit out of you one day.

I'd never say don't do drugs to someboy, you should do whatever the f**k you want. It's like saying 'don't ride that bike, you'll hurt yourself' and I expect we all have the same answer to that one.

That said...

smoking dope makes me shit at riding bikes so I don't do it when I'm going to ride. I pretty much packed everything else in when I needed to actually use my brain at work and I feel a thousand percent healthier - both physically and mentally than I used to.

It's odd. I dont regret taking all the drugs at all but I do feel like I could have made better use of some of the time.

[Dan6061]

Quite a few of my mates smoke weed.

At first it was occasional, only on Friday nights say.

But now it's a lot more often. And they always seem desperate to pick up at partys etc.

They hot-boxed a tent once, I was sat in it drinking, and yeah it was fun, but I would never actually smoke it.

I know second-hand smoking has silimar effects or whatever, but something like that wouldn't affect me.

They said to me once, 'Do you wanna try?' and i just say No.

And they're fine with that.

They're not like 'oh you f**king pussy! just try it!'. They're cool with the fact that I don't want to, and never will.

I've noticed some changes in them, they've became slower. Can't really explain it, but yeah. Hope most of you know what I mean?

They all know the effects of it, but they enjoy it, and are 'making the most out of their lives'.

Idiots.

[ScotchDave]

Right, my parents have a few attorney friends and the amount of times I hear about a responsible mature adult who had smoked weed for a few years with no ill effects suddenly becoming paranoid and comitting a horrifying act of violence, often upon a friend or relative, is unreal.

I live in Glasgow, we have more hewroin addicts than you can shake a stick at, they all terrify me, they're not human anymore, the eyes are dead and glassy, the cappacity for violence is ubelievable and they are so unpredictable it's not even funny.

Fore example I've seen a guy walking down a street, suddenly some junky sitting by the kerb looks up, screams "you green b*****d" and in the next minute almost killed this man who had done nothing but walk past him.

Now, I don't know whether it was what he was on, or what was in what he was on, but injecting anything into one's veins that isn't of known origin frankly scares me.

Basically, I've seen friends of mine go from intelligent sensible people to total junkies in months, it scares me and therefore so do drugs. I won't take em, end of.

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

ladies and gentlemen would you care to name the #1 most destructive drug in the world?

Nicotine

#2?

alcohol.

just to clear that up.

Everyone seems to get filled with this horrible fear of drugs as a child. quite rightly so but as you get older you can make your own decisions on these things, although i think it would be a bad idea to tell your kids "drugs can be bad, but can also be very very good".

meh god knows what i'm on about, by all means try drugs, just dont abuse them. like anything else, if abused they will f**k you up.

Edited May 12, 2006 by Charel

[N.Wood]

Loads of people from school (which i am no longer part of, hoorah!) are onto coke now, having 'progressed' from weed.

I still think heroin is commonmly accepted as the lowest of the low.

Personally, my problem with the whole drug taking thing is with smoking (i.e weed), and in this way coke is more appealing.

I agree with the people saying if it doesnt' affect them then it doesn't matter.

Theres also loads of drugs the majority of the general public have never heard about, eg Barbs/Special K/etc. so i think 'drugs' is much too broad. Not forgetting alcohol and caffeine are drugs too!

[pinky]

Christ how many people here have actually met someone where cannabis has destroyed there life..

and I dont mean your mum/uncle/local jew who knows someone who had manic depression after having a couple of tokes in the local park

[MasterOfGussets]

Christ how many people here have actually met someone where cannabis has destroyed there life..

and I dont mean your mum/uncle/local jew who knows someone who had manic depression after having a couple of tokes in the local park

I do. As I said, my Uncle was on the wacky baccy and had induced schizophrenia from it. It totally f**ked his life up. I'll give a few examples of stuff he was saying once it took effect...

1. One day while he was working in Chatham Dockyards. Prince Charles visited and asked my Uncle for a chip. My Uncle replied, "f**k off and get your own." (Prince Charles never really turned up).

2. He rang my house one day asking for me and my Dad to go and help him dig up Dick Turpin's treasure because he new its location.

3. He claimed my Great-Nan was a Lesbian and my Great-Grandad was a paedophile.

4. He dressed up for 2004 Comic Relief in an England flag, black face paint with weapons in his pockets, hiding under trees because people were after him.

5. Again, while he was working at the dockyards he designed a stealth submarine which didn't need motors. Instead the sailors would all sit down and scoot in their seats to propel the sub.

6. Just before the Thunderbirds movie got made he claimed he was producing it and offered most of my family parts in it.

7. Before the condition got bad he was working as a CCTV installer at the Houses of Parliament and kept telling people that worked there that he was hatching a plan to blow the building up and was going to get away in a James Bond-esque boat chase along the Thames.

In other words, it sent him off his rocker. There was plenty more he said but those are most of the really far fetched things he came out with. And he was like this for 2-3 years before doctors would finally allow him to be commited.

Weed is just as capable of wrecking lives as any "hard" drug. My Uncle is living proof.

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

although if you are already mentally stable, a bit of dope will do you no harm

[MasterOfGussets]

although if you are already mentally stable, a bit of dope will do you no harm

He didn't moderate his intake... smoked like a true fiend.

[Walleee]

I havn't read the entire topic, but the problem is prohibition.

Dealer's don't care if they are selling to 13 yr old or 36 yr olds, it's all the same money they are getting.

If these drugs were legalised, they could be regulated, much in the same way as cigarettes and alcohol. Of course there are those who get through the loop, but for the majority, it would be a way of stopping children getting hold of the substances, the government could tax the f**k out of the sales, allowing them to help those who do have a real problem with addiction and such.

Legalising would remove the stigma from the drugs, meaning people will be able to find out more factual information rather than the bullshit talk to frank speaks.

'The strength of the strongest type of cannabis called sinsemilla (or 'skunk') has roughly doubled in the last 10 years. The strength of other types of cannabis, such as resin or weed, has stayed more or less the same.'

The reason for the cannabis having incresed in strength is to allow people to smoke less of it, reducing the amount of smoking done.....

The government has it all wrong really.....

I do. As I said, my Uncle was on the wacky baccy and had induced schizophrenia from it. It totally f**ked his life up. I'll give a few examples of stuff he was saying once it took effect...

1. One day while he was working in Chatham Dockyards. Prince Charles visited and asked my Uncle for a chip. My Uncle replied, "f**k off and get your own." (Prince Charles never really turned up).

2. He rang my house one day asking for me and my Dad to go and help him dig up Dick Turpin's treasure because he new its location.

3. He claimed my Great-Nan was a Lesbian and my Great-Grandad was a paedophile.

4. He dressed up for 2004 Comic Relief in an England flag, black face paint with weapons in his pockets, hiding under trees because people were after him.

5. Again, while he was working at the dockyards he designed a stealth submarine which didn't need motors. Instead the sailors would all sit down and scoot in their seats to propel the sub.

6. Just before the Thunderbirds movie got made he claimed he was producing it and offered most of my family parts in it.

7. Before the condition got bad he was working as a CCTV installer at the Houses of Parliament and kept telling people that worked there that he was hatching a plan to blow the building up and was going to get away in a James Bond-esque boat chase along the Thames.

In other words, it sent him off his rocker. There was plenty more he said but those are most of the really far fetched things he came out with. And he was like this for 2-3 years before doctors would finally allow him to be commited.

Weed is just as capable of wrecking lives as any "hard" drug. My Uncle is living proof.

He didn't moderate his intake... smoked like a true fiend.

Education, education, education. The chances are weed didn't make him have those problems, in most cases it just brings out a pre-disposition in people......

[Tomm]

The chances are weed didn't make him have those problems, in most cases it just brings out a pre-disposition in people......

That's still not a good thing. Some people will have a pre-disposition to lung cancer, and smoking gives them the full blown cancer. If they didn't smoke, they wouldn't get cancer.

[1a2bcio8]

I have a friend who developed cannabis psychosis. He was just unfortunate that it was more the way his brain reacted to the substance rather than doing excessive amounts. Anyway, his friend went away on holiday and when he returned my friend was telling him about how he had been protecting his house from the bunny men who had been trying to break in. He also threatened his mum with violence.

He suffered brain damage from which he'll never completely recover. He used to be a very confident outgoing individual and he's quite opposite now. His mum said she would have prefered it if he'd been a heroin addict because at least it wouldn't have caused such irreprable damage.

My friends brother has also developed schizophrenia which was at the very least accelerated by smoking cannabis.

We should be told why this is a reason to potentially not take a drug. But we should also be told an accurate percentage of the people who it does go wrong for compared to the percentage who are alright with smoking. I bet you we are more at risk from leaving our house and crossing then road or some other common risk than we are from any adverse effect from smoking cannabis.

I'd like to say that alcohol and ciggarettes lead me onto smoking cannabis and other substances.

[ScotchDave]

Christ how many people here have actually met someone where cannabis has destroyed there life..

and I dont mean your mum/uncle/local jew who knows someone who had manic depression after having a couple of tokes in the local park

As I say, my parent's friends are attorneys, at the last count they were defending 6 separate cases where people have totally destroyed their own and other people lives from "smoking a bit of weed" regularly.

[Mark W]

although if you are already mentally stable, a bit of dope will do you no harm

How would you know if YOU were mentally stable though? That's the whole point. You can say "It would be OK if he wasn't mental" for every example of a negative aftereffect of cannabis, but if you legalise it, how many more people would get f**ked up from it just because they weren't "mentally stable" first?

[Bucky]

weed in small amounts like a couple of joints at a party is ok i guess.

but people i know who smoke every day and slow and dopey as hell so say thats too much.

never done anything 'harder' or however your refer to it.

the gap between yr10 and yr 11 i was majorly stoned everyday in a battered old camper van parked outside a friends house but got bored of it and wanted to ride my bike.

small amounts of cannabiss is ok by me but anymore is stupid.