1a2bcio8 Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hello People,I was just wondering if any of you have an opinion on the subject of drugs? More specifically I'd like to hear what opinions/knowledge you have on individual drugs rather than viewing all drugs as one and the same. I do mean drugs that are either illegal or appear to be socially unacceptable. I would like to hear, if you do have an opinion, why you have that opinion?I'm still interested in all opinion/information, even if you are unable to find a strong justification for it or it seems insignificant or whatever. I just want to know what pops into your head at the mention of the word "drugs".Mucho appreciated and hopefully this doesn't drop straight out of forum sight Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siders77 Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 To be quite honest, when someone says the word drugs I automatically think of tramps shooting up in a grubby little alley way. A few people I know have recently started smoking weed. At first it was only once which I thought was ok and that would be the end of it. Now they've started doing it day-in-day-out, even in school which I personally think is silly. I don't really have anything against people who take drugs or what ever as long as I'm not dragged into the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb88 Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 When i think of the word 'drugs' i do think of those stereotypical 'druggys'. Quite a lot of my old mates started smoking weed and stuff, i dont really have a problem with it, but its sort of become a lifestyle which i think is stupid. Ive personally never tried it or any other illegal drugs and i dont particularly want to, but i dont have a problem with others doing it. I think it does sort of seperate and group people though, all the druggys around here all hang around being their grungy selves. Just my opinion because of people i know round here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Socially acceptable is fairly ambiguous though. In higher class circles, cocaine abuse is perfectly legit, and they'd probably look down on stuff that lower class drug users might do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Ward Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Yes all drugs are illegal and thats the end of it really.But there are social exceptions, i know many people who smoke cannabis and think its fine to do it and no harm will come of it, but theyre just plain stupid. when i was in year 8 there was a crew going around most nights getting stoned and after about a year they realised how f**ked up they are. my mum works in a mental hospital and iu hear stories of 16 year olds with paranoid schizofrenia, and it sounds scary as they have to be escorted round because of the older mentals who will beat/rape or kill them. now imagine being 16 and going through that, all because you thought it wouldnt do any harm. now i dont know about other drugs but they are more addictive and worse for the body and people know that, thats why i think cannabis is underrated but at the moment its doing more harm than other drugs.sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Yes all drugs are illegal and thats the end of it really. Incl. pharmaceutical and ones used in the food industry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted May 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 It certainly is Mark but I think we can make generalisations about acceptability based on law and assumed majority/sizable opinion. Social opinion is never absolute. I agree with what you're saying though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 The clubbing culture is a lot about drugs. I don't do it myself but I know people that do take 'party enhancers'... They are nice normal people that want an extra rush...Taken in sensible amounts it causes nobody else any harm so I have no problem with it...It's scum under the pier bulging out their veins I don't agree with... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Taken in sensible amounts it causes nobody else any harm so I have no problem with it... Dependent on the quality of the product, though? In that people have been killed after buying shit and it turning out to be made of some not-so-nice stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCircus Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 CRACK IS CRACKTASTIC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 My opinion is that people can do what the hell they want as long as it doesn't affect me and they know what they're getting themselves into. I think 13 year olds etc using cannabis is a bit stupid because they may well not be aware of all the risks, and there might be a peer pressure thing. But for people over 16 ish who know what they're doing and know the risks, I think most stuff is ok. The exception in my mind would be heroin. I have never met anyone who has benefitted from heroin. It just f**ks people up big-time and ruins lives. All heroin users I have spoken to have no job, no money and they want to stop. But it's by far easier for them to get a hit than it is to get a decent meal and certainly a job, and that's a terrible situation to be in. Add to that the diseases that heroin users get - leg ulcers, heart problems, 85% of them have Hepatitis C which is a very serious disease with no cure that leads to cirrhosis and/or liver cancer.I've also seen a 30 year old who had a heart attack due to cocaine, so that's not a good thing either.Personally I'll stay away because I don't really like the idea of altering my brain's chemistry, and I find life fun enough without any illegal stuff. Also from what I've tried, nothing has really been worth the risks. I wouldn't mind trying cocaine though... But it's waaaay too expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomturd Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Dependent on the quality of the product, though? In that people have been killed after buying shit and it turning out to be made of some not-so-nice stuff...People have been killed crossing the road as well though, or driving their car - its a risk people take and they would be idiotic not to accept that theres a 1 in a million chance of something going wrong.I'd say the problem lies with education. My education pretty much consisted of 'drugs are bad and they will kill you'. We were never told what the physical and mental affects would be (except that you'd die), how long it'd last, if you are likely to get addicted in any way, how you'd feel the day after and most importantly what they actually are and the differences betwen them. Total LACK of education IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 We were given a pretty decent education about stuff in fairness, but the thing is is that it doesn't mean shit to the people it's supposed to mean something to. The people who were getting in deeper into drug abuse just said "This is all just made up" whenever people presented facts about what happens to the body when you take various drugs, and they refused to believe any of it. So the people who needed the education and knowledge didn't really receive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alun Goch Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 (edited) Personally I have no objection to people smoking hash or skunk in moderation, so long as they do it sensibly. If they do not let it get in the way of their education, and do not smoke so much as to become different at times when they do not smoke, then I can see no harm in it.On the other hand, people that abuse drugs, or for that matter do anything other than weed, I think are silly. Users of hard drugs are sick in my opinion.I think the reason some people are so much against people smoking dope is that they class it the same as any other illegal drug, and the smoker becomes a druggy in their eyes. Even the fact that marijuana is only class C makes no difference to them. I think that if it where to become legalised, people would accept it abit more, and it would also become alot safer, perhaps the government could introduce standards to ganja, preventing all the additives that go into soap bars/rocky/hashish whatever you wanna call it.But I deffinately dissagree with hard drugs, pills, coke, heroin, it's not worth it, I'd never even consider touching that shit.EDIT: http://www.talktofrank.com/azofdrugs/C/Cannabis.aspxThere is a minimal risk of physical dependence. Psychological dependency occurs in about 10% of users.Alun Edited May 12, 2006 by Alun Goch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br3n Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I havent read any of the above posts so sorry if someones said this allready...If you havent tried it your in no position to judge them, Granted its your own choice and you shouldnt be pressured into doing anything you dont want to, But.. If treated with respect you'll have a blinding night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted May 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Heroin is extremely cheap to produce. I can't give a more recent idea of the cost but I can only assume it's less than it was given the general trend of cost production. Anyway it was about $0.50 for a "hit" in the 1970's. Consider the idea that heroin users, when their lives are not revolving around getting the drug from a position of what is most likely poverty, can actually function in society. I have a friend whose Dad's friend, a doctor, wrote himself perscriptions of heroin or it's prescribed equivilent and was able to function like this for many years with no adverse effect on his ability to perform his job, until he was found out, and rules, laws etc. got in the way of something that was actually not so bad.Also consider that one of the other problems that arises from heroin use and it's very addictive quality is that users usually end up behaving in ways which we do not like in order to sustain their need. Like mugging, violence (this happened to me), stealing etc. I don't know how much this costs society but I suspect it's a lot especially with the addition of the costs towards the process of dealing/punishing such people.Now with this in mind, what do you all think to the idea of legalising or decriminalising heroin? Or at the very least continually supplying heroin/equivilent (not methadone which is currently used to get people off heroin and which is far more expensive to produce) to people who are already addicted? Can you see how it might give somebody the chance of a life? Perhaps some people are just going to end up being users from being born into a crap social situation, so isn't it worth trying to make it as easier for them and perhaps easier on the rest of society as well? If the cost of supporting users is less than the cost of not, through the aforementioned reasons isn't that better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I wouldn't mind trying cocaine though... But it's waaaay too expensive.its pretty cheap now, not that i have tried it!anyhow back on topic!i agree with tomm, heroin is shit and probably the worse drug for f**king peoples lives up.I don't really have a problem with people who take drugs (its not for me) as long as they don't talk about it all the time (most boring people ever, you know the the type 'i went out on sat night and took 5 pills and then sat in the park and smoked...' oh shut up)weed is ok and i have smoked it myself (i rarely do now) - but i have almost known people that have become always feel the need for a spliff, like first thing in the morning to set them up for the day and just sit around smoke all day. I just think thats boring ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBProductions Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 (edited) I'm fairly open minded about them , I disagree with like the above mentioned the people under the pier e.t.c , but in an industry like mine its often accepted to have a joint while working and on 72 hour shifts to endulge in the white powder , for instance take glastonbury the amount that was there was silly and I witnessed most of it first hand. It's part of life because like everything on the planet there is a chance of it killing you and it's at people's own discreation to ruin there lifes, its when they effect others that it should be stopped in my opinion. Cocaine is an upper class drug and will always be there. Good topic though Edited May 12, 2006 by CBProductions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexx Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Taken in sensible amounts it causes nobody else any harm so I have no problem with it...Other than the hard drug trade funds everything from terrorist groups, to drug lords and sex traffic. The impacts of hard drugs I think are much worse economically. As far as the individual is concerned, I'm not too bothered, it's just how they're produced and moved around that's negative (in my opinion).If you havent tried it your in no position to judge themI thinks thats a very narrow minded view. Basically what your saying is that you can't form an opinion of anything without first doing it. I have the opinion that pedofiles are sick, do I have to try it to confirm my opinion? No. The effects, results, and outcomes are still the same - giving yourself the physical experience shouldn't make any difference. I don't have to sample heroin to form the opinion that heroin addicts are weak minded and were stupid to try it in the first place.At the end of the day, socially acceptable is an impossible idea with drugs, because like you say, it depends what circles you move in - in the fashion industry cocane is pretty normal.Really, I don't have a problem with so called 'soft drug' use, I think using hard drugs is a bit silly - simply because you can throw away so much, for so little. I have to wonder why people get so passionate about canabis use and effects, at the end of the day, whatever side effects it has, just like when you pop the ringpull on a beer can you are making your own choice, risks known or unknown;experience vs consequences. People will always favour to back one or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted May 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Yeh my education on drugs was poor. South parks parody was spot on. It was just the process of brainwashing through repetition.My experiences with drugs have been extremely different to what I was told in school, on the news, governmental propoganda etc. I also have the experiences of other people whom I have talked to who have used drugs, whom pretty much follow my own line that drugs are fine if used sensibly. I do know of people whom it has gone wrong for however. That's just unlucky though and it's a minority. I think people should have the right to find out what drugs work for them and what don't even if it is a gamble. What isn't a gamble?I have also read, watched and heard very different scientific views from the establishment view that says drugs are some sort of demon thing to be feared. You've always got to look deeply into why somebody might say what they are saying. On the one hand I could just be ratioinalising my drug usage because I'm a slave to it on the other hand, how might it benefit somebody else to say otherwise? Perhaps a scientist sponsored by a government who deems drug use in society not to be beneficial to some reason besides our health? Can anyone see how a scientist might follow a certain line of thought or practise when there's a large salary waiting at the end of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Now with this in mind, what do you all think to the idea of legalising or decriminalising heroin?I would be much more interested in better access to clean needles/equipment. Apparently a decent propertion of heroin users use water out of the toilet boil to inject. It's nice and private in the cubicle you see. And that is f**king horrible. There's literally bits of crap that get injected straight into people's veins. I can hardly see "free heroin for junkies" being a vote-winner though. Much easier to forget about all these people. And there is the obvious thing that if you make heroin cheaper and more accessible, you will encourage more people to take it up. Now I know you argue that it's not a terribly bad thing, but I personally wouldn't like to see more heroin addicts about. I just don't think there is an easy answer...its pretty cheap now, not that i have tried it!Argh, don't tell me that! I have enough trouble with my chocolate addiction, never mind something that is actually highly physiologically addictive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterOfGussets Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 The drug scene seems to be mostly immature people deciding they'll experiment by taking substances they know nothing about.My uncle was a weed smoker and eventually was commited to a mental ward for drug-induced schitzophrenia. He dressed up for comic relief in an England flag, painted his face black running around with weapons saying people are out to get him. He even claimed to know where Dick Turpin's treasure was!People who shoot up are the scurge of the planet. There's nothing worse than parking your car in a multi-storey car park and having to step over a few unconscious druggies with needles hanging out of them. Plus they have raised the crime rate around here - they mug people and shop lift to feed their habit. I personally would take great enjoyment watching them all be put infront of a firing wall.XTC users are plain idiots. You're warned about taking a drug because it dehydrates you and you won't realise. So the kids drink pints and pints of water. Now they're saying to kids that if they take it, to moderate their water intake because people are overdosing on water.I'm all for freedom to express yourself. But popping pills of which you don't know the content, smoking things which have been proven to induce mental disorders and injecting yourself with shite which does nothing for you is just plain stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted May 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Would it matter so much to have heroin users if the context in which they did the drug changed? Like I said, it's them not being able to fund their habit which causes them to behave in ways we don't appreciate. I don't know that the users would increase. People generally know about heroin as a drug to stay away from. I think it's just going to be the people who were going to end up in that situation anyway that will use the drug, certainly for the most part.It becomes a vote winner if the people want it to be. It's upto you and your opinion.I'm seeing many cliche opinions.The establishment has done well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I supose they're only doing it to themselves though, only harming them selves and no one else.I'm fully against any illigal drugs and smoking. Waste of money, waste of health. With no real benifits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 To be quite honest, when someone says the word drugs I automatically think of tramps shooting up in a grubby little alley way. A few people I know have recently started smoking weed. At first it was only once which I thought was ok and that would be the end of it. Now they've started doing it day-in-day-out, even in school which I personally think is silly. I don't really have anything against people who take drugs or what ever as long as I'm not dragged into the crowd.Exactly the same here man - broke up with a group of friends because they started doing drugs an they all came into this party stoned and basically ended up in "confrontation" they didnt mind if afterwards - but as they did it more i just went further away from them - so i just thought sack it an hang out with different peopethey change people - id never do it i mean ive had a "toke" or whatever but wouldnt go to the dealers. Ive brought an sold drugs but never had them personally. its easier to get and alcahol under age round here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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