Davetrials Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 well i guess mr aston is right then. ps how old are you?ha lol im 18I dont think about other people im very inconsiderate, its one of my bad quailitys, i do things and dont think about the consiquence, but i see where ur cumming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Whatever rugbyman said before Davetrials interrupted us No. As it said in the thread Also kinda ties in what's said here I suppose, but anyway, that's all in that thread, not this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugbyman Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 ha lol im 18I dont think about other people im very inconsiderate, its one of my bad quailitys, i do things and dont think about the consiquence, but i see where ur cumming from.some how i don't think ashton's gonna sponsor you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 i cant say ive asked, lol, im not expecting a sponsorship, but i dont stand by what u say there, no matter how much of a dick you are, if your a dammed good rider companies will sponsor you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugbyman Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 i cant say ive asked, lol, im not expecting a sponsorship, but i dont stand by what u say there, no matter how much of a dick you are, if your a dammed good rider companies will sponsor you.you really think so? i don't agreebut then we're both adults(over 18) so i guess that's ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 that was a shit argument, i wanted a little bit more from that, but i supposed u can carry on the original topic nowswarings bad, some please think of the children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 that was a shit debate, i wanted a little bit more from that, but i supposed u can carry on the original topic nowswarings bad, some please think of the children. Get it right Dave, this is T-F, we never argue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugbyman Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Get it right Dave, this is T-F, we never argue lmfao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Maybe this article will give motivation for the organisers (and cooperation from riders) to crack down on this behaviour.Martyn was right to highlight the bad conduct of some riders in his article. It only takes a few to spoil it for everyone else. Addressing this issue can only be a beneficial thing for trials. I would have certainly written the same things if I had a trials column and had just come back from the one event I went to not so long ago.I'm sure everyone agrees with the points, it's just when you're a certain age you may not be able to see things from other people's perspectives as well. This airing and discussion of the issue will make people realise about behaving in a decent way, and some expected levels of conduct can be made clear before the event. Penalties should be laid in place, similar to football's cards. A warning, and then disqualification. If a pushy dad is being anti-social, then it should count as a card against his son/daughter. If riders arrive with stereo booming crazily, or leave in a similar way then cards can be handed out. And in the case of leaving after an event, I'm sure that carrying a card over to the next event would quickly motivate riders to think of other attendees and the owners of the land.When I went to one of the Indoor trials events in Llandudno, since it was an unjudged event tempers weren't flairing. Whilst people were leaving on the other hand, I remember thinking "They won't let us use this venue again" The sports hall was right up against a residential area, and the noise being made by stereos and shouting was embarassing.During this period of time, as trials is hopefully growing, there's plenty of scope to get these issues tackled and resolved. We should jump on them now. "Carpe Diem". The football organisers would love to be able to improve football supporters behaviour, but history is too strong and behaviour so ingrained, they'll never achieve it. In the trials world we can nip these conduct issues in the bud now and make sure that trials evolves into a sport more respected than football and its supporters.Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Drewery Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I totally agree, people should have fun and all that, but dont act like complete noobs at a competition. I realise football matches have hooligans, but most of those people are knobs all the time, where as I know 99% of trials riders are usually OK, even if they misbehave at competitions. We dont want to give the sport a bad name as its always growing in popularity, so we need to keep people involved, rather than shun them away with swearing/agression/general retardedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 (edited) I've never done a biketrial comp, nore do I plan to. I did motortrials for 11 years (competition) and thats what kinda put me off. I don't find them 'enjoyable' because of all the little pricks there.Basically, I don't know how the grading system works in biketrials, but in moto it's divided into Youth, Novice, Intermediate, Clubman, Expert. Youth, *shocker* is the worst...which I will explain now...1. Its full of 12 year olds looking to be the best in the youth sections. Obviously, fair enough. But I've actually seen some little shit drop his bike in the middle of a section, cry, kick his bike and then walk off...why? Because he dropped ONE foot. This threatened his position at the 'top' and he threw a mard about it.Kids will be kids, its normal they'll throw a mard. But how does that make the observer feel? He'll either get him back on the bike and 'pretend' he didn't see it and then make it unfair for everyone else, or he could point him for it, and then get called everything under the sun from the little kid, making him feel very embarressed...it sounds far fetched, but it happens a hell of a lot.2. All the spoilt little pricks at comps annoy me. Some 6 year old who can wheelie a bike a bit gets daddy to buy him an 06 bike, all the best riding gear ect. i know its a pety think to complain about, but its something that bothers me and I think it does effect kids behaviour at comps, just because they have no respect for other riders, observers or the sport. Note how I said 'kids' as being the cause, because that is what they are. I have no problem with anyone swearing 'lightly' on a comp, but there is a limit, and there is a difference to swearing to yourself and swearing at an observer.Observers are UNPAID VOLENTEERS! No observers, no ride, no comp. Simple as. I suggest people get some f**king respect for them and value them a lot more than they do (or don't). I think a system of extra points for abusing an observer wouldn't go a miss. If they act like kids, treat them like it.I swear all the f**king time, f**king constantly. But i have respect for others around me. I don't swear on buses with little kids on or old folk, its not hard. Why should comps be any different? Edited May 12, 2006 by anzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I would just like to say that biketrials comps arnt like that, the kids are all angels!! I havnt seen any stroppy hissy fits from a yung rider for a while, if ever.I cant say I have noticed too much bad language recently, but when your going around, you only really see a very small group of people that whats actually there, an observer sees every rider, so there may be some going on that I dont see or hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 i dont want to get too involved or too much in detail. i just want to put this:Dave is showing how this forum does interpret immaturity and doesnt understand the full pro's and cons of sponsorship.The understanding of someone "Much" higher than anyone else, has put something in a magazine for people to take note of and LISTEN to. if people cant do that it is THEM/HE/SHE who will come across as that, and them who spoil it for others.i do agree the person/people/group how ever it is put could be "talked" to and hopefully something be sorted, trials would be a much better place than what it is now IF people could/would just get along.Why do the grudges start??? simple "little" things that dont need to have been said/done etc.Waynio...........................Negativity??? there should be NONE!!!! everything should be POSITIVITY!!!!! we can all be friends and all have a good time.Maybe it can? maybe it cant happen? it doesnt take much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I dont think swearing is the main problem.I think the lack of disrespect and bad tempers, from the pro/s is disgusting.I heard one guy( not mentioning names) riding elite effing and blinding and throwing his bike when he five'd.Then totally ignorant dads walking straight in front of you when your names been called to show his kids the way to go around as if its a life or death situation.i didnt really find comp's fun at all.i enjoyed speaking to people but the riding was taken far too seriously.even so of the fun trial i hear.thats one of the main reasons ive lost interest in trials, too much competition, who can do what, who rides with who.no more fun for me, i used to love going out progressing and having a laugh, i still have tonnes of room for improvement and challeneges but dont have any motivation to fulfill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny B Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 just wanna post to say that i am actually tryin to work on my agression problem, so that i ain't as piss** off at trials so please don't drag me into this as some people have already hinted i am trying to calm down cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I think what you should be more concerned about, the 'pro/expert' riders are role models for a lot of young riders, young riders that may be watching them in a section...So when <insert name here> 5's, throws the bike, swears his head off and give the observer a bit of verbal...the kids see that. Monkey see, monkey do...not very professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 yeah ive ridden with danny, and him his brother and his dad are proper sound and easy to get on with.i think with that post about ebay, his dad probably got the wrong end of the stick, just as any of our dads wouldnt like negative things been said about us.but yeah in fact that was the last ride ive been on and really enjoyed it , was a great laugh.should have got some footage of that big kicker/mountain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny B Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 cheers dude was a good day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 i dont think its too bad if a rider says a little sware/curse to himself *not shouts at the top of his voice* when he has a stupid 5, its damn fustrating. i dont mean its ok to sware at observers or throw your bike cause thats not on. but at the devon round, i cleaned this section all the way to the end, was literally 2m from the end, and LITERALLY had to just role 2m more, not over rocks or anything, just along flat ground, but i thought that was the end of the section... but it wasnt, that cost me first place and really pissed me off and i did say "f**k" a good couple of times cause i was so pissed off... i didnt shout, but i did say it.that was just my fustration getting the better of me and i didnt think about smaller kids watching or what ever at the time. now, the nationals are quite a big thing to some people... people who say "some people take it far to seriously" they need to think about why they do... the top riders in masters need to take it serious as it means a lot to them... this could be a job to them, you would be serious at work wouldnt you? so they do have the right to take it serious if you ask me... most riders will know how annoying it is when you 5 when it could have been so easily a clean or a one... and some people just have different ways of controling the fustration... i always thought i was pretty chilled about it all, but the last couple of NATIONAL round have brought out a different side to me... i do curse myself quite a lot when i mess up and that will more than likely involve swearing AT MYSELF but obviously people will over hear...we all know who the thread is aimed at... but from what i have read i get the impression that you think this person does it on purpose to look "cool" or what ever. as i have said though people vent thier anger in different ways.............................example of this is......................... butler and MYSELF curse ourselves, NOT on purpose, not meaning to offend anyone but it happens, as danny has said hes trying to work on that and im going to try to aswell... but the amount of fustration i feel when i have a silly 5 makes me forget about whos watching and my mind is focused souly on "ARGGGGGGGGGG you FORKING IDEOT" its a BAD thing i know, but i cant help it :$. where as... savage, i have seen him fack up a section when he didnt need to... and it could have easily been a clean... he sort of jumped round for a second let some "arggggg" go a little and that was it... this is a good thing as noone when they feel that much fustration will be able to do nothing... MAYBE there is the odd one though?we can all safely say that the topic and martyns article was started because of danny... (sorry danny:P) ... BUT you only see this behaviour (sp) when he has a silly 5?!?!?!?!?! when i see him after the comp hes sound, propper chilled talks to most and is laughing, still the occasional sware in there but mart can even be blamed for this aswell as me so i dont think we can go on about this.i think its the way the sport is aswell anyways, the personalities that get into it in the first place arent the quitest, it isnt bowles. i agree that swearing shouldnt be shouted at the top of your voice... but its going to happen, cant get around that... as has been said its everywhere, in every sport. the comment about small kids hearing it and picking it up seems to be a major point of the whole thing... if a kid hears it, picks it up, says it surly his/her parents are going to hear him say it when he rolls out a section or when ever and will disaplin(sp) him/her anyways so they will soon find out its not a thing to say and not say it again, i know thats how it worked for me when i was little so i really dont think we have to worry about that to much IMO!i think people have got to realise that the nationals are quite important and have to be taken serious by some of the top riders...this carries alot of stress (dunno if thats the right word)marts column wasnt started just because of swaring anyways and it isnt my bussiness to go on about the other things it was about...i dunno how all the came accross cause i have just sort of typed it out as it has come out my head and havent read it back at all, i have a feeling i have repeated myself a lot... oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted May 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 we can all safely say that the topic and martyns article was started because of danny... (sorry danny:P) ... I didn't start this topic because of Danny. I started it because what Martyn had written struck a chord with me based on what I've seen on a number of trials, over a number of years. I'm also happy to say that Danny is getting better, and at Tech04 I remember Dave Butler telling a few riders to watch their language, so he's obviously concious of this too.I can understand riders being upset or angry when they fail a section or take a silly dab or two. I don't think anyone could not understand that. Riders in all classes are competitive and want to do well. They set high standards for themselves and get angry/frustrated when they don't meet them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny B Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 all fair comments there mr porter you are a dude, and i knew it was about me just didn't want to get into much of a row to be honest cus i have had enough and as i said before i am trying to work on it, so that is the swearing thing covered but the other unsportsman like conduct that is going on at the nationals at the moment is another issue that martyn was trying to address and i see where he is coming from and i think that there is too much back stabbing going on between the top riders and not enough respect, you may think that this is a rich comment coming from me but to be honest now i actually want it all to end because i am tired of all the squabling an bull**** and think that we should all chill i wana change how i am and just have fun because for a while last year trials had stopped being fun and that is what it should be and fair play to martyn for bringing all of these points ( yes mart i am impressed that you care so much still for the comp scene). I think that observers are important and whenever i argue with an observer i try to stay as calm as possible i dnt agree with people going mad at them because they are volunteers.... there was such an atmosphere at devon because of the problems with andre and most of the master riders thought that it was back stabbing to penalise him at the first round however if his bike didn't come inside of the rules that is also his fault so both parties are to blame one for being a little harsh and the other for poor bike mechanicing, so that problem was then carried over to devon i hope that it is sorted and both parties sort things out..... ben savage send us over a pm hope we could go out riding and bury the hatchet whatever it is cheers lads thats me trying to change, hope that the petty squabbling on here can change too ps i am really bad at typing so it mite be a bit crap to understand sorry :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I didn't start this topic because of Danny. I started it because what Martyn had written struck a chord with me based on what I've seen on a number of trials, over a number of years. I'm also happy to say that Danny is getting better, and at Tech04 I remember Dave Butler telling a few riders to watch their language, so he's obviously concious of this too.I can understand riders being upset or angry when they fail a section or take a silly dab or two. I don't think anyone could not understand that. Riders in all classes are competitive and want to do well. They set high standards for themselves and get angry/frustrated when they don't meet them.ye i said that wrong really (bit you have quoted) didnt mean it to come across like that... cause the whole thing wasnt brought up just because of danny.... (totally contridicted(sp) ) myself there... ARG... i know what i mean i just cant seem to get the right words together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny B Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 dnt worry i sort of know what you ment too mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squince Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 To be honest, I found the YMSA comps I've done were really good fun without being a loud-mouth twat (read: typical football supporter )? I found it fun just from meeting new riders, being challenged by the sections and just being there, pretty much. Didn't have to be ridiculously loud or anything. Everyone seemd to get on really fine, everyone took the piss in a light-hearted way if someone f**ked up a section, and there was just a really positive atmosphere, without shouting and swearing. I'm guessing it's different at the nationals then?Yeh i love YMSA comps, There so much more relaxed than the british rounds.Ive seen peoples fathers (not naming anyone) Throw there sons bike because he fived a section Also when people throw there bikes and start swearing at even YMSA sometimes, Whats the point?There will always be this in any sport No matter how much you try and get rid of it.cheers andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 everything level pegging sounds good.a FRESH start for 2006........ sounds fair play.Waynio......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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