Trials Dave Posted May 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 You missed out profile!yeah not much on these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 whats the point in this topic, chris king products are far better than hope its as simple as that, hope bearings tent to last about 4 years on xc bikes king bearing last aroud 20 years, well never actually saw any worn out king bearings, not counting ones that have been f**ked due to miss use and not adjusted hub correctly.if a king hub is maintaned properly it will never slip thats a fact, its possible for the hope to slip if the pawls land on the edage but there not much chance of this, with a king it cant happen pain and simple king is best, just cus people f**k them by not looking after them that doesnt make them crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 they are good, I used them for 4 years (mostly the same hub) without much trouble, the only thing that when wrong was a couple of snapped axles.BUT I dont think they are £100 better than a hope. No snapped axles, stiffer wheel and stiffer engagment (you can really feel it!) and a main thing for me they are BRITISH Both good hubs, but I still rate hope as being the one to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie456_the2nd Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Rear screw on hub. DMR revolver with an eno. I got an acs at the moment, but prob gonna get the tensile when it comes out as its cheaper than the eno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-man Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 You can get kings brand new off ebay for around £180 you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 but that will just be the standard axle and freehub wont it? its at least £100 more than that for the extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramps Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 shimano deore, never skips, works fine and stands up to big 30ft drop gaps............................ashYou let us all down Ashley. ` Now could you please just get on with your little essay on why Hope is better please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 whats the point in this topic, chris king products are far better than hope its as simple as that, hope bearings tent to last about 4 years on xc bikes king bearing last aroud 20 years, well never actually saw any worn out king bearings, not counting ones that have been f**ked due to miss use and not adjusted hub correctly.if a king hub is maintaned properly it will never slip thats a fact, its possible for the hope to slip if the pawls land on the edage but there not much chance of this, with a king it cant happen pain and simple king is best, just cus people f**k them by not looking after them that doesnt make them crap propperley maintaned kings do skip. FACT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 do you even own a king hub mat? have you eben worked on one?do you even know how they work are you quailfied to make coment on all of the above i expect its a no for all well done i have a few king hubs are they never skip when maintained correctly, and when they are due for a service the they some times skip but its so small you dont notice just a get a noise from the hub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMunn Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) propperley maintaned kings do skip. FACT!Hmmm...None i've seen have ever skipped, including mine. Edited May 2, 2006 by TheMunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Trialsin Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 What about the echo freehubs WHEN they come out .Callum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 King, worked a treat, till I messed with it , skips like a 5 year old now :$ Needs servicing lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 I just got an email from CRC saying that the Pro II singlespeed is the same hub as the Pro II T, is this true ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 do you even own a king hub mat? have you eben worked on one?do you even know how they work are you quailfied to make coment on all of the above i expect its a no for all well done i have a few king hubs are they never skip when maintained correctly, and when they are due for a service the they some times skip but its so small you dont notice just a get a noise from the hubI wouldn't waste your breath if people can't see kings are the best hubs out they don't deserve one.Personally I think kings are worth every penny and the design of them pisses over all other hubs out now. The ring drive system is genious.What have hope done? They changed to a different kind of spring which is in ACS freewheels anyway.Don't get me wrong I think hope are a great company but they aren't in Chris Kings league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials Dave Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I wouldn't waste your breath if people can't see kings are the best hubs out they don't deserve one.Personally I think kings are worth every penny and the design of them pisses over all other hubs out now. The ring drive system is genious.What have hope done? They changed to a different kind of spring which is in ACS freewheels anyway.Don't get me wrong I think hope are a great company but they aren't in Chris Kings league.i agree.acs aere rubbish to start with. i really want a king now to be honest. do kings last well?are they worth buying second hand?cheersDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 yes and yes.they are in a way better buying second hand because the person before you will have bedded them in. all you need to do is give it a service and it will be reet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials Dave Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 yes and yes.they are in a way better buying second hand because the person before you will have bedded them in. all you need to do is give it a service and it will be reet.kool... so aslong as i keep the inside nice and clean then it should be fine?also further up this page someone mentioned the echo rear hub with freehub. when is this coming out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxRacer Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Talked to Deng and he told me that he is currently redesinging it. Exact deadline isn't given. He got very good conception the only thing is to not f**k up producing it IMO.I got king for few months now and it has never skipped me. Cleaned it and took some of lube. Now it makes great noise and makes me feel more confident, though my friends king likes to skip. I'm saving up some money for buying ck tool and replace spring with new, stronger one. That will solve all possible problems in future. I'm quite affraid of sound it's going to make as it's going to make me have headache though.BTW I had Shimano XT UG on rear. it lasted me 1 year (my friend got one for 5-6 years now) also with changed spring and it NEVER skipped me, same with my friend.Maybe sometimes better than complaining would be doing some small adjustment or modifications? Think about it. I would go with king on your place. Got the best solution of freewheel system for biketrials. Pawls are shit and you now that! What happened to people who were claiming that CK is the best? TF was full of them. Now I hardly see any:PI hate when people say that something won't break for sure and it doesn't need 1-2 years of proper testing. What a bollocks! Echo freewheel hub conception was quite similar to one what hope has and in end it turned out to be total shit. CK are tested and only few were destroyed. Let's clarify that... PAWLS are not any good for trials:P Even silent clutch is better;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I wouldn't waste your breath if people can't see kings are the best hubs out they don't deserve one.Personally I think kings are worth every penny and the design of them pisses over all other hubs out now. The ring drive system is genious.What have hope done? They changed to a different kind of spring which is in ACS freewheels anyway.Don't get me wrong I think hope are a great company but they aren't in Chris Kings league.how are the hopes not in chris king league?i dont want to argue but coming from an engineer, the materials that hope use are in league with a king, if not better, the machining processes that hope use on there hubs is second to none, you wont find a better quality finish and tolerance on a bicycle component than a hope, and thats coming from someone who machines and designs aero engine parts for a living for rolls royce,the new pawl and spring mechanism is quite basic, yet it works, im not saying there is anything wrong with any other manufacturers designs such as kings as i like the way they ride, my mate adam had one on his kot, i don't beleive that has ever skipped, yet neither has my hope..............obviously i am biased towards hope, maybe you dont like them , but they are definately on par with a king, you only have to look at well established riders opionions like waynios, ali c's and stan shaws, they all like theres.vote british.............support your countrybest regards ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 King use a better design. Thats how they are in a different league. Hope use a design which we know is inferior., so no matter how well they make it, it wont ever be as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dean Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 (edited) I have a king and its amazing. Never seems to skip and I've had it for over a year now! They aren't cheap but i'd advise anyone who is serious about trials to buy one. Failing that I think the C2 is the next best thing as its more affordable Edited May 3, 2006 by dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 how are the hopes not in chris king league?i dont want to argue but coming from an engineer, the materials that hope use are in league with a king, if not better, the machining processes that hope use on there hubs is second to none, you wont find a better quality finish and tolerance on a bicycle component than a hope, and thats coming from someone who machines and designs aero engine parts for a living for rolls royce,the new pawl and spring mechanism is quite basic, yet it works, im not saying there is anything wrong with any other manufacturers designs such as kings as i like the way they ride, my mate adam had one on his kot, i don't beleive that has ever skipped, yet neither has my hope..............obviously i am biased towards hope, maybe you dont like them , but they are definately on par with a king, you only have to look at well established riders opionions like waynios, ali c's and stan shaws, they all like theres.vote british.............support your countrybest regards ashwhat is your job role ? hope use the same stamdard of cnc lathes to machine the bodys of the hubs as king, you should know your self that most decent compaines use the same machines. and as for the materials both compaines use high grade materials so id say that the prodution and workman ship which goes in to both are pretty high, but its just the the king design and drive system is so far ahead of hope thats where they part and king bearings are secound to none.the drive rings are matched using a microscope as well dont think hope do that and as for saying hope are better because riders like stan shaw use hope that doenst make it better, as im sure stan could use both no problems same as pretty much most top ridersinfact i know a fair few riders who say they could never go back to a hopeim not saying hope are crap cus iv rode the new trials hubs and from what i sawt they felt nice and i could use one given time to get used to it, but imo id still keep my king by the way im a toolmaker for ina bearings, if you look you will find some in hope hubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials Dave Posted May 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 (edited) chris king seems to have lastyed the test of time. ive never heard any real complaints at all about kings and they seem amazing quality. i had a go on craigs (trialsalot) bike last night with a king on the rear and it felt sooo nice.i think the materials and finish on the hub seem amazing aswell.althought they seem to need servicing regularly.thanksDave. Edited May 4, 2006 by Trials Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 I've said it before if you can't see how amazing Chris king Hubs are you don't deserve one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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