Teenage Angst Communal Agony Aunt Thread

[Nickkkkk]

I've never read any of these books, but I know people who do and I think I get the gist of them.

The only thing I have to say really is that they don't seem to take into account that people are not all the same. It all seems pretty mechanical, like you're playing a computer game with set responses. Not every girl will respond the same/positively to the methods the book teaches you. More importantly, I think, not every man/boy/trials rider is the same.

These books seem like they can help break people out of bad habits, and give a different perspective, but I don't think they should be followed word for word. I figure at the end of the day if a relationship is gonna work you've gotta be doing it without thinking, not following a manual. Anyway if you were gonna follow a manual I'm sure this one would be one of the best :

i agree a book will only do so much in terms of relationships... using your instincts and learning from your mistakes is the best way

Edited June 16, 2009 by Nickkkkk

[adamtrials]

i agree a book will only do so much in terms of relationships... using your instincts and learning from your mistakes is the best way

Depends what kind of book, i've found some very useful in the past. I could influence ex gfs so easily using very basic NLP. You could use your instincts and learn from mistakes, but it's so much better to have someone else telling you exactly what you need to know I must read these books mentioned above, any specific David D books or is it online? My inter-gender communication skills are still severely lacking as a result of an all boys education...

[Hannah Shucksmith]

i agree a book will only do so much in terms of relationships... using your instincts and learning from your mistakes is the best way

The little book of Karma Sutra is the key to relationships, I swear

[JD™]

The little book of Karma Sutra is the key to relationships, I swear

SLUT.

[Hannah Shucksmith]

Oh, how I love you too, JD...

[Nickkkkk]

The little book of Karma Sutra is the key to relationships, I swear

relationships? or sex or both?

Edited June 16, 2009 by Nickkkkk

[Krisboats]

I've never read any of these books, but I know people who do and I think I get the gist of them.

The only thing I have to say really is that they don't seem to take into account that people are not all the same. It all seems pretty mechanical, like you're playing a computer game with set responses. Not every girl will respond the same/positively to the methods the book teaches you. More importantly, I think, not every man/boy/trials rider is the same.

These books seem like they can help break people out of bad habits, and give a different perspective, but I don't think they should be followed word for word. I figure at the end of the day if a relationship is gonna work you've gotta be doing it without thinking, not following a manual. Anyway if you were gonna follow a manual I'm sure this one would be one of the best :

You really should. The thing about it is though is that the stuff here works. I know not everybody's the same but the principles that are taught work in 90% of situations which is completely different to before reading them and having 0-5% chance of getting past the initial walls when meeting someone. Girls won't like to admit that they are all the same, but they really are. Obviously they'll have different ways in regards to a sense of humour so particular styles of humour will vary from person to person but overall, cocky and funny works like magic. Once you read through them you change your views completely. I read through the first time and it was like someone had come down and re-wired my way of thinking entirely. It wasn't long before i "got it" and understood how things worked i just needed showing what it means when you fit all the pieces together.

i agree a book will only do so much in terms of relationships... using your instincts and learning from your mistakes is the best way

Which is why the books only cover the principles, reasons behind them and repeatedly suggest that there's no substitute for learning like taking what's written and applying it in real life. So much of it is counter intuitive though that you just wouldn't figure it out alone.

Depends what kind of book, i've found some very useful in the past. I could influence ex gfs so easily using very basic NLP. You could use your instincts and learn from mistakes, but it's so much better to have someone else telling you exactly what you need to know I must read these books mentioned above, any specific David D books or is it on-line? My inter-gender communication skills are still severely lacking as a result of an all boys education...

The David D one's are a selection of videos, audio tapes and ebooks. You can buy them through his site or if your into "trying before you buy" 'David DeAngelo' should work fine for obtaining them through certain illegal methods. I'd definitely recommend the 18 e-books series, including "attraction isn't a choice", "critical moments and bridges" and "what every man should know". Literally eye opening stuff.

[Steve-A]

I'm pretty happy not rewiring my thinking for the moment thanks

It just seems a bit like putting on a front which is appealing to the average girl, which I think would make it harder to find a girl who truly understands you. But that said if you're just after some fun then I guess if makes pulling easier then great!

I know this is the girl trouble thread so I thought I ought to say this quietly in grey. I've been with my girl friend for a little over 4 years now. She's the only thing in my life I don't over think and completely analyse, and thats worked out great so far.

[Krisboats]

I'm pretty happy not rewiring my thinking for the moment thanks

It just seems a bit like putting on a front which is appealing to the average girl, which I think would make it harder to find a girl who truly understands you. But that said if you're just after some fun then I guess if makes pulling easier then great!

It's not really putting on a front though, if anything it's coming out of the wussy boy mentality that you were raised to have by your parents and actually be yourself around women. It's a known fact that mothers tell their sons to be nice to girls and drill it into them from the beginning because A) it makes their life easier if the kid isn't constantly being a cocky little twat and if you ask a woman what triggers attraction they usually don't know. They'll come out with things like someone who treats me well and is always nice and who is reliable but then they run off with the guy who makes them feel attraction.

Now given that a lot of guys don't know how to talk to women or talk to them in the ways they were raised by disney films and their mothers they are actually acting AGAINST their better nature. What has been drilled into them from an early age is actually detrimental to their success with women.

I'd say these books are guides for creating opportunities to get to know girls rather than to go out pulling because to be fair, the kind of girl you can take home after a couple of drinks and some funny conversation is not the kind of girl you'd really be wanting to have a long lasting and trusting relationship with. It gets you past the initial stage of approaching a girl and getting her number to meeting up a few times so you can get to see if SHE's interesting and funny and worth YOUR time, not the other way around.

I'm a firm believer that if you want to meet a girl but your somewhat clueless and you end up getting branded friend material because of it then you're missing out on opportunities needlessly. If you can spark attraction at the beginning you can get to know her and she'll be happy to go with it should you find her someone you can spend a long time with.

I'm happy for you with regards to you and your lady i really am, but if i hadn't read these books i'd still be cluseless and i don't find it too much of a stretch to see the correlation between me reading these books and three weeks later starting a relationship that's so far lasted 3 months and is looking to go on for quite some time yet. I'm definitely standing by the "read them or your a fool" viewpoint.

[Tom_]

Im attempting to "sample" the books, but Im a n00b and cant do it how long are they? I have a medium length attention span? the last lengthy literature i read was LOTR about 7 years ago.... However, this sounds interesting to me...

[Krisboats]

Im attempting to "sample" the books, but Im a n00b and cant do it how long are they? I have a medium length attention span? the last lengthy literature i read was LOTR about 7 years ago.... However, this sounds interesting to me...

Hit me up on msn if you want.

[Steve-A]

I'd say these books are guides for creating opportunities to get to know girls

In that last post there's not really anything I'm disagreeing with, it all sounds sensible enough. I was more just making the point that as someone who's not read the books it often comes across as if people follow the books to the word a bit too much. I guess it just sounds a bit cold and calculating.

From what you say in that post its more about looking into yourself and understanding who you are, and yes being your self around women, not the softie some people think they should be. Thats cool, and its a fair point to say I had much more interest from girls once I was old enough to be myself. But from the rest of the thread it sounds more like the book says ' do this and you'll get laid'

[rocktrials]

Yeah it's good. haha

[Fish-Finger-er]

f**ks sake, i'm really, really at my whits end with everything. Apparently a fairly mutural friend has been telling girl x who is moving away that i'm bad news and she shouldn't talk to me. Why is it, that everyone f**ks shit up for me? Like literally 3 weeks ago my mate got with a girl i really liked, i had fish and kev be c**ts to haylee and gemma before now, other mates generally tend to f**k things about.

I'd f**king punch my wall if everyone wasn't asleep.

Can I answer this with this

Hold on a motherf**king second here fatty,

Lets have this right you lil fixie riding fassy ole.

You got Haylee to add me to msn,after you told me she was "gagging for it", and i said as a joke "pass her my way", you got her to do this because, and I quote " Id give you bare respect if you got some naked pics of her". So you told her to add me to msn, she did, we got chatting, the end. You told her to speak to me,so its not like I was trying to muscle in on your bird, and this was long after you even thought your sorry ass had a chance to make sweet sweet love with her. I at least treated her with respect, didnt ask her to get naked, didnt start textin her dirty, (im sure we could of done), didnt post webcam pics of her all over TF to rub it in your face. Which is maybe why shed start conversations with me,maybe why we could spend ages chatting.

Maybe if you wernt such an arrogant, big headed, over opiniated loser who didnt spend all his time drinking more than he can handle,bitching about his mum whilst pretending hes some leet rave photographer, and if you didnt spunk all your money you earn in your dead end job on expensive bikes bragging about how much you earn, and went out socialising, chatting to girls without always having to try and get in their pants, without falling in love with every girl you speak to for more than 5 minutes and then being the biggest cry baby whinge bag when they choose somebody else. Well then maybe youd of had a chance with haylee, maybe youd be with silvia now, maybe girls would of been interested in you, and youd of been with something respectable in your 17 years on this planet. As it is youve rattled a 15 year old chubby girl who looks like shes spent most of them 15 years headbutting a spade.

[Tom_]

As it is youve rattled a 15 year old chubby girl who looks like shes spent most of them 15 years headbutting a spade.

[george_seamons]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I know this completely goes against anything I should do as a mod. But my god Kev, that was amazing!

[N.Wood]

Maaaaaaaad roffles galore.

[Krisboats]

Oh christ, that was funny as hell!

[JD™]

I've missed the FP bashing, that was the best thing I've read here for months!

[Tony Harrison]

f**ks sake, i'm really, really at my whits end with everything. Apparently a fairly mutural friend has been telling girl x who is moving away that i'm bad news and she shouldn't talk to me. Why is it, that everyone f**ks shit up for me? Like literally 3 weeks ago my mate got with a girl i really liked, i had fish and kev be c**ts to haylee and gemma before now, other mates generally tend to f**k things about.

I'd f**king punch my wall if everyone wasn't asleep.

Fat Pants, you're doing it completely wrong! How did "fish and kev" get to know them? Why are you handing out contact details? Why are you even bothering to get uptight about girls who hear from mutual "friends" that you're bad news? Surely if they're that pig(dog ugly)-ignorant that they believe their friends over themselves then they're not worth it anyway?

They sound like f'cking kids! What are you doing? WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

[Rich J]

Hit me up on msn if you want.

Id quite like to read this. Has it really helped you? It can be quite easy to see what some people are like but it'd be pretty helpful in other situations. Might get it, it sounds rather intriguing.

[MadManMike]

That was quite possibly the best ownage I've ever seen on TF.

Whilst it was slightly harsh, he has points in there Glen - you need to just chill out and let things happen, not get so worked up and suchlike. And the big headed know it all thing is getting tedious.

You're alright, just on the surface you act like a fool sometimes.

Take a chill pill and stop worrying / bragging.

[Davetrials]

Can I answer this with this

Lets have this right you lil fixie riding fassy ole.

You got Haylee to add me to msn,after you told me she was "gagging for it", and i said as a joke "pass her my way", you got her to do this because, and I quote " Id give you bare respect if you got some naked pics of her". So you told her to add me to msn, she did, we got chatting, the end. You told her to speak to me,so its not like I was trying to muscle in on your bird, and this was long after you even thought your sorry ass had a chance to make sweet sweet love with her. I at least treated her with respect, didnt ask her to get naked, didnt start textin her dirty, (im sure we could of done), didnt post webcam pics of her all over TF to rub it in your face. Which is maybe why shed start conversations with me,maybe why we could spend ages chatting.

Maybe if you wernt such an arrogant, big headed, over opiniated loser who didnt spend all his time drinking more than he can handle,bitching about his mum whilst pretending hes some leet rave photographer, and if you didnt spunk all your money you earn in your dead end job on expensive bikes bragging about how much you earn, and went out socialising, chatting to girls without always having to try and get in their pants, without falling in love with every girl you speak to for more than 5 minutes and then being the biggest cry baby whinge bag when they choose somebody else. Well then maybe youd of had a chance with haylee, maybe youd be with silvia now, maybe girls would of been interested in you, and youd of been with something respectable in your 17 years on this planet. As it is youve rattled a 15 year old chubby girl who looks like shes spent most of them 15 years headbutting a spade.

Dear kev.

How do i go about being your best friend!?

LEGEND LMFAO

[Has anyone seen my shoe?]

Sweet, hook me up, i'll keep her warm for you.

I joke, my girlfriend of 5 months probably wouldn't appreciate that, but i can stick this girl in an oven and keep her warm that way?

I've heard that they like that.

Anyway, as for all this book nonsense, did you not feel a little bad reading a book which is telling you how to get laid? (it might call it something else, but thats what it is)

[Krisboats]

I've heard that they like that.

Anyway, as for all this book nonsense, did you not feel a little bad reading a book which is telling you how to get laid? (it might call it something else, but thats what it is)

Why? I've read things on how to do all sorts of stuff, you would have thought i'd know how to hunt but i couldn't make traps for shit without watching ray mears. Why is learning about a topic you're bad at something to be ashamed about?