Shoulder Ligament Damage.

[Waynio]

im wanting if possible

"Physio" OR someone of similar calibre to give me advice on where i can go or who i can get to sort a wee problem out, i was speaking to Andrei Burton yesterday and i HAVE to be back on the bike by the middle of next month for fort william, at the going rate im no where near!!!!i will pay what ever it costs. this injury malarky is CRAP!

anyones advise (as long as its not "Rest it!") is much appreciated. anyone who has had this style/problem with Shoulder/Collar Bone Ligamnet damage.

Cheers in advance.

Waynio..........................

[Endohopper]

Damn ! Sorry to hear that Waynio , I was kinda wondering where Physio went , seemed very knowlegable about sport related injuries .

[ScotchDave]

I can give you Si's (physio) msn address, I believe his new job means he has less free time.

My advice is to find a good physio in your area and get them to take a look, but it's gonna cost you .

Hope you get better soon lad.

Edited April 17, 2006 by div

[Waynio]

i have already been to local physio who has sorted my ankle and dislocated finger out. the only problem is i want to know WHERE to have Electrolysis or something. andrei burton mentioned it yesterday, it speeds up the process of ligament "repair" so hopefully i can get to sorting that out.

My physio is quite cheap but only cos i help bring alot of buisiness for him physios are amazing and are worth EVERY penny to be able to be repaired and the advice given is amazing 2nd to none. all i want now is a process to help repair. i know its expensive but if it cuts a week or 2 off injury times, or even a month it is worth it for me.

im sick of going out,watching,helping,giving advice when i could be physically "showing" people how to do things. it really sucks. i wouldnt wish ANY injury on anyone at all.

Waynio........................

PS: iv got Si's e-mail thanks dudes.

Edited April 17, 2006 by Waynio

[ScotchDave]

Well, the best person to ask where to get electrolysis therapy will be your physio, if he/she doesn't know they'll be able to say who to ask.

[dave33]

id say try and keep active rather than sitting at home wainting for it to get better, if you have road bike gte out on that as much as you can, that way you will improve your fittness and you should heal up much quicker than just resting while keeping alot of the muscle strength.

the fitter you are the fitter you recover from injury in most cases.

maybe try going swiming and stuff just to keep the strength up.

as when i f**ked my shoulder up when it was better my arm/shoulder were so weak and iv found it had to rebuild the strength back up

good luck with healing up

[yoyoyo]

You tried these people?

Just found them on google, and i know your from that area.

[Waynio]

dave33 i am still in the process of keeping active and doing as much as i can to keep the strength in my left arm. i found this out when i dislocated my finger a couple of months ago and got back riding, the power was appauling and there was nothing really i could do. my left arm is usually my stronger arm too. so having to rebuild it didnt really take much.

yoyoyo cheers for the info dude i will look into that today, iv been struggling to get in touch with my physio since sunday with it being bank holiday weekend. but i will give those people in leeds a call, its very much appreciated

div cheers too il get on with my physio today as my physio may advise the people that yoyoyo was saying.

thanks again. its turning out to be better than i thought, i had a go on my bike last night (i know i shouldnt have like, but i can get my bike on the back wheel, i think this is with it been a 1065 with it been shorter i dont have to reach or manouvre my shoulder as much. so im going to speakk to my physio today and the people in leeds and see what they say about it. cheers for all the help and advise)

Waynio..................

[Waynio]

JUST spoken to my physio and he says that its "Ultra Sound" that makes the ligaments heal quicker.

i know i have been having ultra sound all last week. so i cant physically do anything else. i know Akrigg had some form of treatment last year before the world rounds to try make him better in time, but that was to sort his fingers out (i seem to remember him telling me) so im on the slow road to monaco!!!! altho he says if it feels ok to ride on, ride on it, as i cant do any more damage UNLESS i literally fall off my bike and onto the left shoulder.

but cheers, and thanks again for the advise, if "Physio" sees and looks at this if he could put something to let me know if there is anything else to do, but from my physio hes saying its just a case of letting it get better, but i will be having more ultra sound next week and the week after.

Waynio...................

[physio]

JUST spoken to my physio and he says that its "Ultra Sound" that makes the ligaments heal quicker.

i know i have been having ultra sound all last week. so i cant physically do anything else. i know Akrigg had some form of treatment last year before the world rounds to try make him better in time, but that was to sort his fingers out (i seem to remember him telling me) so im on the slow road to monaco!!!! altho he says if it feels ok to ride on, ride on it, as i cant do any more damage UNLESS i literally fall off my bike and onto the left shoulder.

but cheers, and thanks again for the advise, if "Physio" sees and looks at this if he could put something to let me know if there is anything else to do, but from my physio hes saying its just a case of letting it get better, but i will be having more ultra sound next week and the week after.

Waynio...................

can you give me a buzz mate

07830151250

and its electrotherapy and not electroysis you dont want that!!! thats permenant hair removal lol

[robster]

i have already been to local physio who has sorted my ankle and dislocated finger out. the only problem is i want to know WHERE to have Electrolysis or something. andrei burton mentioned it yesterday, it speeds up the process of ligament "repair" so hopefully i can get to sorting that out.

My physio is quite cheap but only cos i help bring alot of buisiness for him physios are amazing and are worth EVERY penny to be able to be repaired and the advice given is amazing 2nd to none. all i want now is a process to help repair. i know its expensive but if it cuts a week or 2 off injury times, or even a month it is worth it for me.

im sick of going out,watching,helping,giving advice when i could be physically "showing" people how to do things. it really sucks. i wouldnt wish ANY injury on anyone at all.

Waynio........................

PS: iv got Si's e-mail thanks dudes.

wayne, if it's hair removal you want as in electrolisis, then Tara is your best bet she can give you a full Back Sack and Crack treaetment

[Waynio]

LMAO!!!!!

nice1 john,il be in touch. haha. only kidding.

il bell you later simon, or if you want to contact me at any point. cheers it would be handy to know the difference between electrotherapy and ultrasound???

Waynio....................

[robster]

LMAO!!!!!

nice1 john,il be in touch. haha. only kidding.

il bell you later simon, or if you want to contact me at any point. cheers it would be handy to know the difference between electrotherapy and ultrasound???

Waynio....................

They are spelt differently

Are you out tomorrow ?

[Waynio]

yes john, give me a bell @ work and il sort something out. im into going out for a bit, just for a "play" need to keep my head into it.

Waynio.....................

[MOSH]

Yello, Erm really you should be asking for a broken shoulder because it will heal quicker. Broken bones heal quicker because more blood gets to them, than ligaments. The more blood that can get to them the better because in the blood is the "repairing" stuff. So even though it may seem longer for a broken bone to heal it isn't. A broken bone is more painful aswell so you treat it better and usually not try anything, with ligaments you feel kinda up to doing something and then pull or damage it even more and can be back to square one again. My advice is still stay active (not too active), don't overstretch, get some cod livers in the system (or other oil source) and try going swimming a bit (IT HELPS A LOT) the warm water and movement should aid healing, But at the end of the day the main healer is time But if you don't ride too much or over-do it for a while I think you should be better in time good LUCK ! If you want to ride then try and keep it warm (one of them warm packs that last like 8 hours) but if I were you I would not risk it.

Cheers Josh..

[JKH]

I hurt my shoulder ligaments last June after riding an unfamiliar bike for a week. I never stopped riding and my shoulder still hurts all the time. It hurts the most when I try to put a jacket or backpack on, but it doesn't affect my riding much. In my experience that ultrasound and electro stuff works pretty well. Best of luck.

[Waynio]

yo JKH thats what im finding out i have been rdiing the last couple of days 1st day i was pretty stuiff and it hurt a bit so i stoped BUT then later on tried riding again and it was ok, then today it feels like i have a new shoulder its perfect BUT little things like getting dressed are more painful than riding my bike BUT in some positions of riding my bike it "twinges" a bit, nowt really bad, but its there sort of thing. il probs be going back for another session of ultra sound this week and to see what my physio says.

Waynio.......................

id just like to say, a lad out of "new members" chat e-mailed me some really great information it was much appreciated and i can say he is one of the more sensible and mature members of the forum. what he told me will probably work, just got to get the items ordered up and used. il post his name up @ somepoint its in my "PM inbox"

[dave33]

as i told you at the trial wayne i hurt my shoulder few years ago and its fine on the bike now but some times i wake up in the night in pain if i lay flat on my back, it hurts like a fanny no idea why

so may be worth getting it sorted propely better in the long term

[tank_rider]

I've had all the fun of shoulder injuries in the past culminating in surgery to reconstruct the cartelidge in my left shoulder. I found that i was able to get on my bike fairly soon after the op (a lot sooner than was expected) and that it definately helped speed up the healing process. You have to be careful though that you don't mask the problem by building up other muscles to support the ligaments, as these can cause problems with pulling and/or biasing the joint differently to how the ligaments do and could lead to more problems down the line.

The electrotherapy that Si is talking about does seem to help speed up healing, i think it breaks down the scar tissue allowing healthy tissue to grow quicker etc. Other than the electrotherapy, there should be some exercises that the physio can give you to keep your muscle strangth in your shoulder using a clini-band or similar, thats how i got the majority of my shoulder strength back and was what i used with physio before finally resorting to surgery. It definately helped and delayed the surgery a good 5 years at least (bear in mind i was dislocating my shoulder lots, not a single isolated injury).

Whilst it is good to get back to riding, you do need to be VERY careful and not push it at all, its not worth the risk of a bad landing or crash to tweak it again, especially if your working towards the speediest recovery possible. You'd be better to do weight/band training if possoble to maintain your strength as it is a lot more controlled than riding and so there will be less risk of agrovating the injury.

If you want to have a chat about it or anything grab my messenger address out of my profile and lob me on

Good luck, hope it heals nice and quickly

[Waynio]

tank rider yes iv been looking into all those equations, and with me getting these things i was advised i will let you know how i get on, but for your situation Dave33 the thing im getting may help you too!!!

iv been out and iv looked at lines i want to do and i just have to distract myself onto something a bit smaller and different. i know exactly where i stand and know how far i can push my luck. the only reason/way i would do something big is when Akrigg gets back from Japan i will go out and do some filming for the Trial Noir DVD. i dont care about anything else at mo, british rounds are out of the windows, so 2005 is the year for me to have alot more fun and enjoy myself more freely. i dont have anything to win or loose, just have a good time meet loads of new people then plan and prepare for 2007. altho 99% of my riding is having fun anyway so there is no change in my lapsed opinion of trials and how i ride

when it comes to recovery my body seems to do well, either because im small and blood flows faster round me, or i must be quite healthy (it cant be that though surely ) OR the other one could be im just god damn lucky.

cheers for your help and advice lads

Waynio.......................

[spunkey_monkey_boy]

sort your diet out sharpish wayne, no matter how well your eating you can always eat better and the key to keeping you body working well (or repairing it so it works well) is eating well. get into your local health food store and talk to them about glucosamine sulphate, MSM, devils claw and anything else they can suggest for repairing damaged tissue. also fresh oranges have something in them (mum told me once and i cant remember now) that helps the healing process.

if you want to talk to someone who REALLY knows what they're talking about my mum owns a health food store and keeps my broken body working for me so i can give you her number if you want. call me - 07737648463

good luck mate

tom

[Waynio]

nice1 tom!!!!

ye i have been eating alot more healty of late, probably since i was in barcelona at the beginning of the year. and i always feel better. so alls good, il try and get on the buzzer to you today but i cant promise iv been real busy @ work last few days, its picking up. but il bell you as soon as poss.

Waynio.....................