Tom Booth Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Couple of points...The triton frames weighs the same as that, offer the same personalised Geo, look nicer, are probably more easily available, probably better value for money...A lifetime warrenty, as Fred said, is only going to cover Manufacturing Defects. So a crack developing around a massive dent isnt going to count as a defect.Not trying to start an argument and Im not advertising before anyone says, just pointing out some facts Thats a Waynio stylee plug there Frame looks ace, but i dont see why alot of companies are experimenting with Ti nowadays? I know it will push the trials scene/market further and add new materials etc to the scene, but in all honesty we hav the materials we need without having to splash £550+ on a frame. Admitadly you get your own geo etc, but it just seems abit pricey when thell be plenty of frames out there already that will suit a rider.Annnywayyyframe looks nice, Kinda Aorta'ish.Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukeee Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I wouldn't touch that frame with a 12 foot barge poll. Titerra stuff cracks. Its true Titerra is the factory Global used/use to produce there frames. Titerra have a team out in Russia. Who go through a shed load of frames. The backend of those frames are terrible , i'm sure Ali C can back me up on this one , Those plates that join the bb to the chainstays flex badly. theres no box section or yoke to increase stiffness. We did look into using Titerra to produce our frames but it was pretty clear they were not up to scratch. They made a frame recently which looked pretty cool , it used a mixture of titanium and carbon tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I concour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukeee Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I concourBloody hell Ali that was quick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Full titanium ones costs 590 GBP, titanium and carbon top tube - 640 GBP. All frames are custom geometry made there is no extra charge for custom sizes. Also the prices includes shipment to UK. Not too bad really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyoyo Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I don't like it, there's just something about it that doesn't look right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Isn't the global lack of ti going to start bumping the prices up more though? RNC have had to stop making their ti parts 'cos of the shortage or increasing prices of it or whatever the crap's going on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Balls Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 as a materials science 1st yr undergraduate..i feel a little embarrassed to ask...but what exactly is grade 9 titanium?adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 But still, its the first trials frame (as far as I know) to offer lifetime warrantyLeeson do.Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 (edited) Thats a Waynio stylee plug there Frame looks ace, but i dont see why alot of companies are experimenting with Ti nowadays? I know it will push the trials scene/market further and add new materials etc to the scene, but in all honesty we hav the materials we need without having to splash £550+ on a frame. Admitadly you get your own geo etc, but it just seems abit pricey when thell be plenty of frames out there already that will suit a rider.Annnywayyyframe looks nice, Kinda Aorta'ish.TomTi is a very poor material for a trials frame .... notch sensitive isnt a good idea for a trials frame ? ? ?Good point though - why bother with a ti when we have good cheap strong frames (with good geo too) ?Isn't the global lack of ti going to start bumping the prices up more though? RNC have had to stop making their ti parts 'cos of the shortage or increasing prices of it or whatever the crap's going on...I thought that too - middleburn super pro has slyly changed to steel (at the same price) because of this. Edited March 18, 2006 by manuel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 as a materials science 1st yr undergraduate..i feel a little embarrassed to ask...but what exactly is grade 9 titanium?adamI had to google that as i wasn't sure what it was either...Ti-3Al-2.5VGrade 9 Titanium alloy (3% aluminum, 2.5% vanadium), high strength. Mainly aerospace applications.http://www.aaamagnetic.com/pages/titanium_info.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 But still, its the first trials frame (as far as I know) to offer lifetime warranty, thats got to hurt the companies finances slightly?Rocket offered lifetime warrenty against anything about 4 years ago. Litterely, you snap/crack the frame, they replace it, no questions asked.They went bankrupt 4 years ago to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onza Kieron Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 It does look alot like the Heatsink Sidehop frame to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Who the piss needs ti when we have dengs U6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 On a side note, why do people offer custom geometry? I'm not a test rider, I don't ride heaps and heaps of bikes, I want bike companies to pay people who know what they're doing to design good stuff. The only exception to this is the top tube/wheel base. Basically have the head tube at one end, and bottom bracket/stays at the other and just stretch the bit inbetween.If you offer custom geometry, then people either have a chance to come up with their own - potentially good or bad - or rip off an existing frame, though nicely avoiding copyright issues. I seems like a great way to muck up a £600 frame by guessing at geometry.The other issue with this is that if all bikes have wildly different geometrys then there's no common feel or way the bikes ride. Leeson take care to avoid this issue, but otherwise it ride like any bike other than the name on the downtube. Seems like a good way to avoid R&D costs too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 (edited) Bit of info when i asked about the guarentee....For non extreme frames our guarantee is very flexible, so if someone brake the frame during riding we repair or change the frame. But in case of extreme cycling like trial we decide if we will repair (change) the frame or not we ask for the details. First question if damaged frame is repairable or not at all. That is why we ask for detailed photos to see what happens. Usually that's enought to understand what happens. Damaging during riding coulb be very different. If the frame has been broken during low level of damage we repair the frame or change it if we can not repear. But it happens rarely, due to titanium is very impact resists material, much more then aluminium or even still and our frames are very strong. May be they are not lightest in the world, but one of the strongest for sure. If the frame has been broken due to heavely impact etc., so it was not manufacturer fault but we still can repear the frame we offer to rider to pay for transportation costs and appr. 10%-20% of the frame price extra. If rider accept our offer we repair the frame. In your case transportation costs coulb be around 30-50 pounds both way and 50-100 pounds for job and material. So even in case of rider fault he will have certain support from us. We have lots of experience with titanium trial frames. Since we sponsor few riders from local trial club, so we now exactly what trial is. Usually trialists damage down tube and chain stays, so sometimes (not really often) when the tubes damaged too much we replace them completely. Recently we invent some kind of titanium shield for down tube in order to protect down tube from impact etc. We use this shield for very extreme riders. Sometimes we weld the shield to the down tube sometimes the shield could be separate and replaceble. I hope you understand better our way of working. Edited March 18, 2006 by JT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 everyones different though. what one person thinks is perfect geo another person might hate. i know i like my frames long and low and short at the back end( not too short though) a slackish headangle and a small amount off bb rise. But someone else might want a tight headangled short wheel base frame with more or less bb rise. i think custom geo is a great idea i know for sure my next frame will be too my own specification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Haha!almost everything i read here was really funny to me.Why? Because people are speaking about lifetime warranty on the Titerras. Which does not exist.People are speaking about Ti in trials without knowing any technical and physical characteristics of the material.But this all does not matter. Becuase there right now 2 broken Titerras at our factory. They have been repaired many times before and they are broken again. They are waiting to get welded. Nothing about warranty. The guys were riding trials. The got snapped headtubes, seatstays (both) and magura mounts. They are too flexible to ride properly. There are no triangular or box constructions on the stays and you can flex the frame easily with your fingers. The only thing me and our engineer liked about them was the welds. They are smooth.The rest is crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukeee Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 On a side note, why do people offer custom geometry? I'm not a test rider, I don't ride heaps and heaps of bikes, I want bike companies to pay people who know what they're doing to design good stuff. The only exception to this is the top tube/wheel base. Basically have the head tube at one end, and bottom bracket/stays at the other and just stretch the bit inbetween.If you offer custom geometry, then people either have a chance to come up with their own - potentially good or bad - or rip off an existing frame, though nicely avoiding copyright issues. I seems like a great way to muck up a £600 frame by guessing at geometry.The other issue with this is that if all bikes have wildly different geometrys then there's no common feel or way the bikes ride. Leeson take care to avoid this issue, but otherwise it ride like any bike other than the name on the downtube. Seems like a good way to avoid R&D costs too...Companys offer custom geometry, because everyone has different ideas on what feels good and what they want out of a frame. I'm pretty sure no one in trials has bothered to copyright a frame design. So there are no copyright issues even if someone does copy a frame design down to the littlest details.I was under the impression most of the Leeson 24's were different geometry? I was pretty sure you could get a custom Clear660? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I thought that too - middleburn super pro has slyly changed to steel (at the same price) because of this. Haha, shaaaaaaaaaaady Bet there'll be some less-than-amused people when they open the box for their new bashring and find it's actually steel, not ti. Same price is well out of order too. No doubt some Middleburn bummer will come and tell me that Middleburn have done so much for trials riders they can actually rape us all with poles if they wanted to, but to me, charging the same price for what IS an inferior metal is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Steel kicks ti's arse all day long especially stainless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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