F-Stop Junkie Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Couldn't agree more.Just to clarify, 9 spd has a different cable pull to 7/8spd. If you want to run 6 speed on the new Hope trials hub, then with a 9 spd shifter, you'll need a 9spd cassette with an additional spacer. If you're on 7/8spd, then you don't need the additional spacer, but you do need a 7/8spd shifter.Obviously in both cases, you'll need to take some cogs out to make it fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 ye, thats how it goes. they will sort of ghost shift a couple of gears with a 9spd shifter and 8speed cassette spacing lol. im trying it with my hope 6speed and a 9spd LX shifter. it will work near enuff for me, at least i will have a shifter and a mech on to make it look like there are gears there. they will work (in a fashion ) maybe two clicks to one shift, for a couple maybe 3 of the gears Waynio........................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 I am trying to sort the gears on my hope as well, its proving tricky.I think I have an 8spd cassette, but I cant remember for sure, I am using a narrow kool chain too and I cant get it to stop skipping! I have just about got it running smoothly in my preffered gear, but I aint too hopful about the others working well(I am using a 7 spd friction shifter too, so that cant be the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 ali i am having the same problem, if you have got a 9spd mech on you need to use a "spacer" between the jockey wheels, like the spacers used to space your hope disc, i did mine yesterday before going out riding and it has worked. its always "ticking" as if it wants to change gear (even though mine was singlespeed for a bit) but its cos the mech is quite narrow Waynio.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 I have no idea what my mech is, I bought it brand new for £1 at a jumble sale yesterday I cant take the jockey wheels off either (dont ask, I just cant) so I cant space them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 hahahahanice one ali if it was 9speed and people were struggling with a narrow chain thats what it could be.Waynio...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted March 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 right i got a 9sp ultegra cassette and a 9sp dura ace chain... getting a new mech tomorrow. i want them to work cause i might just keep them on... i do have to ride 5 miles to work/good riding you know:p should work allright, if not i will just get a 6sp shifter from a local bikeshop... who knows.and i dont know why it didnt post the actual thread... just the title... strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trials Dave Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 i had the same problem when i bought my 6spd echo hub and my wide kmc chain.mine was fine when i pedal kicked or did short(half) pedal strokes but as soon as i pedalled fully it skipped.i firstly spaced out my cassette i then spaced out my mech with some small washers. ( i got the mech off selectbikes)and it was still skipping. so i bought a surly sprocket off tartybikes and its solved it.make sure your chain is really tight aswelltook me about a month to solve it but thats how. hope that helpsDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 a thread i started did the same porter in the "pics/vids" section.yes it should work, 9spd shifter and 6 speed block (but 9spd spacing) it should be fine you just wont use 3 of the clicks Waynio......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 To be honest, there's a standard spacing for 6, 7 and 8 speed kit. All they did each time was make the cassette/freewheel a cog wider each time, and brought the hub flanges closer together. All Shimano and SRAM have done these days is make the spacers and chain thinner to cram in 9 and now 10 sprockets into the same space.Irrespective of how expensive stuff is, if it's Shimano compatible then a 6 speed shifter won't match a 9 speed cassette. The only exception is if you want to run in a single gear and you don't care about how well the indexing works on different cogs.If you're running a thicker chain then avoid 9 speed cassettes as I'm convinced the cog spacing can and will cause problems. I think that running older, lower quality stuff is the way forward as you get thicker cogs and a decent gap between each one. The only problem is you have to source old kit, shifters, cassettes and so on.Old quality is hard to find, but I'm getting a good hoard together. Once I've got the stuff ready for my new bike, I'll stick a post up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantham Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 grr I hate this time of the year having to fit gears What I found worked well when i went to the worlds, get one of the old style kids shifters, thumb shifters i think they are. where you just push it one way to tighten the cable and the other to loosen, none of the indexing stuff, easy to set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 thats what I am using, works a treat, goes into all cogs fine, but the chain skips when I put power down in every gear but my fave, its pretty annoying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Have you locked your mech out Ali? If so its not resting to far back, so theres not enoug chain rapping round the cog? Maybe worth a try? just undo the bolt and pop the elbow of the mech closer to the frame.Thing I learnt when i switched back to gears, buy EVERYthing from 1 brand, im runnin a shimano tiagra mech, deore shift, 8 speed hg-70 cassette, And it runs smooth as pie. Maybe try your local old man bike shop, see if hes got a 6 speed casette and shifter?Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 I am using a sram x7 with a shortened cage, its not locked, but they have a design where it doesnt bang on the chainstays, so it doesnt need locking in that sence. I dont really want to lock it anyway, makes getting the wheel out a pain.I might just get some singlespeed specific cogs for each gear, the deeper profile would help I recken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 ali sounds like (the rest of your block is nakerd) apart form the gear you use to ride and the chain is ok on the "1" gear you use, if thats how its working, if you have got 5 new cogs and your old cog and old chain it will slip cos the chain stretches. i noticed it with mine, but im not going to try ride around in the other gears just the 16 @ the back.Waynio........................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted March 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 been sorting my new bike out for a couple of hours or summat... should work mint... spilt up a ultagra cassette... dunno what cogs i got on there... but i think its summat like... 16, 15(gear im going to use) 14, 13, 12, 11... i think. there is a little bit of movment there so i need to put another tiny spacer in and it will be minta then... i wont be able to use a 8sp shifter with a 9sp spaced block am i? i got a 9sp shifter aswell but i got a xt 8sp one yesturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantham Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 yer what wayne said ali, sounds like your chain and cog you use have worn at the same rate together, and the other cogs are less used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 i wont be able to use a 8sp shifter with a 9sp spaced block am i? i got a 9sp shifter aswell but i got a xt 8sp one yesturday.Nope, 9spd block, 9spd shifter. 8spd shifter will work with 8spd or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 yer what wayne said ali, sounds like your chain and cog you use have worn at the same rate together, and the other cogs are less used.everythings new, new chain, new cassette and new cog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantham Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 eek sorry but im lost at that let wayne sort it he's the mechanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted March 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 your chain isnt to loose is it ali.... i really dont understand whats going on there.i guess you got the same set up as me? i did it all today...xt 9sp shifterultagra 9sp cassette obviously with the top 3 cogs taken off. ultagra mech with a dura ace 9sp chain...seems to be working mintay........ so all is sorted, for me anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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