PaRtZ Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 OK I hope you understand from that Im trying to go from two pointy objects, and then wheelswap/pigeon so that my back wheel is on the front wheel one. The problem is I usually pigeon with my back brake off, so you can guess what happens there...So I tried again with my brakes on and i just didn't really get anywhere Last time I tried (more for a laugh then anything) I tried to gap up to it, but that was just stupid and i rolled off straight awaySo can I have some advice please?PS: the big black blobs are the tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 lock both brakes, stand with the back wheel so that the rail is straight under the hub, then jump and pull like there's no tomorrow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Elding Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Try leaning back so that the front wheel is in the air, compress your tyre,lower front slightly and then backhop up it normally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducko Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 when i do these i like to lock both brakes then when im about to do the pigeon as you jump up release your brakes then grab them again before landing on the rail if height is the problem try and add a small kick in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashZen Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 when i do these i like to lock both brakes then when im about to do the pigeon as you jump up release your brakes then grab them again before landing on the rail if height is the problem try and add a small kick in Yep,I think what you want it this pageBasically, if the two rails are close enough with a big height difference, it's like a static hop (brakes locked all the time)But if the rails are wide apart, then, you need to give a slight kick in the pedals before you take off (but make sure you only kick at the very end of your jump impulsion, when the bike is quite lighter and not fully resting on the rear rail)The kick is really tricky to synchronise with the body movement but helps a lot, compared to just pulling like a madman. Hope it helps .See this short animation of your drawing scenario.You don’t have to lift the front wheel and pretend it’s a simple rear wheel pedal kick, because you’ll just make it more complicated for yourself trying to balance first and end up not controlling the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted March 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 See this short animation of your drawing scenario.You don’t have to lift the front wheel and pretend it’s a simple rear wheel pedal kick, because you’ll just make it more complicated for yourself trying to balance first and end up not controlling the move.Thats helped greatly thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOLO Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 NO NO NO dont lean back and pedal,, its wont get u there..well it might but only 2 a certain angle.u gotta keep both brakes locked and gently lean your weight forward,like your falling forward slightly. (dont move your bike)the either..---jump like FU-K and throw your bike forwards upward and onto it, making sure u leaned in enough for your body weight to be central. (thats for VERY steep)--- let your feet pedal from flat crank position for about 10-20mm pedal movement,(like a comp style shunt)and get your weight right again.(thats for not soo steep)---do a combination of above, BUT use your front wheel by placing it slighly more forward and pulling on it,let your fork flex if need be and fly with it. ( thats for not very steep)i will try get a pic when the forum is fully workin agen if u want..hope it helped.iolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the judge Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 I recommend you listen to iolo, he's a feckin beast at wheelswaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 I recommend you listen to iolo, he's a feckin beast at wheelswaps hmmm yes his pigieoning skills scare me slightly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 NO NO NO dont lean back and pedal,, its wont get u there..well it might but only 2 a certain angle.u gotta keep both brakes locked and gently lean your weight forward,like your falling forward slightly. (dont move your bike)the either..---jump like FU-K and throw your bike forwards upward and onto it, making sure u leaned in enough for your body weight to be central. (thats for VERY steep)--- let your feet pedal from flat crank position for about 10-20mm pedal movement,(like a comp style shunt)and get your weight right again.(thats for not soo steep)---do a combination of above, BUT use your front wheel by placing it slighly more forward and pulling on it,let your fork flex if need be and fly with it. ( thats for not very steep)i will try get a pic when the forum is fully workin agen if u want..hope it helped.iolowhatever this man says do it - he can pidgeon f**king phone boxes!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOLO Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 :$ on the bangor ride i discovered that on really steep high stuff, u hav to accept that your front wheel being so far over the rail, means it will slip !but u can put your weight all on the rear wheel. even though your over your bars.and then rather than push your front wheel down to jump upward, u can pull it toward you, this is your forward momentum,because your in such a silly position u cant move forward.it does slip off a bit, but its done what it can by then, haha just thought that might help more.the pictures below dont show this but ahh well,jut thought it might help,, wooo im just enjoying actually knowing how to do a move for once !!, im clueless on tap gap sidehop ect.. ! [attachmentid=2837] [attachmentid=2838][attachmentid=2839] [attachmentid=2840]iolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashZen Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 NO NO NO dont lean back and pedal,, its wont get u there..well it might but only 2 a certain angle.Ok, don't lean back AND pedal, but lean back for springing an extension, THEN pedal once you have sprung and your body is already extended (just before you actually start to pull up the bike with you).That is what makes it really tricky to kick the pedal at the right time. If you kick-in too early and are still leaning backs, then it requires too much power and you risk to plunge nose first... if you kick too late, then you don't get the effect of the kick. Hope you'll agree with that one Well at least it works for me, and this made a huge difference compared to other attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted March 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 haha nice one iolo cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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