Waynio Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 from the responce of everyone on here it should be called a "T-Shit"but i agree with what bike rider says. at least do a "Good" copy and make it ride nice, i got a 1065 Caisso last week and FORK me it rides so like my belaey. but looks different to the rest and the attention to detail is different too. good luck to onza being different, but it really has already been done, all its a case of now is people TRYING to put good geometry to "standard" looking frames, you ride a koxx/monty etc etc and (to me as iv ridden alot of frames) is literally where geometry/feel makes a big difference.i like how spunkey monekey boy would like to see more "traditional" style frames like leesons etc etc, ( i think thats what he was hinting at anyway) i would like to see it "come back" too but the way things are moving forward i think i mentioned it in another thread yesterday, people are making trials a "fashion" (not saying thats a bad thing, but it is when it comes to your frame being "Fashionable" cos it has to have the most holes in it, it was done once but then people have to totally go and do it as many times as possible to most people on here say as a guess the age rate of 10-16 year olds then something like that "looks" like an XTP its a "cheap copy" to them therefore makes em happy, iv got about a dozen lads round where i live on koxx bikes in the last 7/8months, and they all say they will not ride any "cheap" bike frame again, as the bike FEELS so different. but without me even saying "you'll notice a difference" they notice it for themselves. just to give you the idea they all started on Onza's and as they got a bit better they wanted better quality.Waynio.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 No-one on here has ridden it, and people are slagging it off (And comparing it to all the other bikes they've ridden). Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 tomm i think people are quoting off "past" experiences.i do like the look of it, but like i say im not into "cycling fashion" i wouldnt go out and buy that bike, i like more traditional looking trials frames. you cant take nothing away from onza that will probably be a FULL bike for around £500/600 fair play to them.Waynio..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 (edited) No-one on here has ridden it, and people are slagging it off (And comparing it to all the other bikes they've ridden). Awesome. Werd.I dont know what peoples gripe with onza is? There realeasing new frame ideas, (such as the lowered chainstay) and people slag them off, but as soon as echo do something new, or koxx, everyone ques up to put there nob in the headtube, Why??Just because its seens as a 'starter' company, dont mean there top end stuff is going to be crap? I have had a t-rex frame for comming upto a year now, might be a year actually, and I've given that some hammer (a bit bigger then our average you see ) And it go no signs of snapping soon, so just get over the fact that it dosent have koxx or echo or zoo writen on it, and ride it.Tom Edited March 12, 2006 by Tom Booth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 The full frame picture makes it look horrid'.Looks sorta' different though.Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Greenthumb Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I quite like it.It looks long which is something for onza, the headtube looks a bit odd yeah but the centre section looks nice. I've had experiences with onza frames and i've been very pleased, onza componentry on the other had has been less than average.Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexymike Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 head tube will rip offDefinatly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 head tube will rip offDefinatly I was thinking this too. That could be nasty I'm not too fond of it, the CNCing around the 'seat tube' area looks shit to be honest, looks too thin. And what's with the other BB kinda thing? (I know it's not another BB shell, but don't know what to call it) Could be a handy storage area... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Headtube looks way to weak.Dont see the point in the extra tube near the bb.Drop-outs look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I WANT ONE! also whats wrong with onza? i went to ride in loncoln yesterday, just about everyone had an onza and they aren't half as bad as everyone makes out, plus not everyone can afford a "proper" frame like a zoo etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philking Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 (edited) I WANT ONE! also whats wrong with onza? i went to ride in loncoln yesterday, just about everyone had an onza and they aren't half as bad as everyone makes out, plus not everyone can afford a "proper" frame like a zoo etc.As if zoo!'s are "proper frames" anyway Don't particually like it, but i like onza as a company - Their top end frames are truely great, the Limey is the best of both worlds with a more traditional design, but taking the best of the CNC stuff (seat and chain stay yolks) from the more "cutting edge/experimental" frames. It also has a sh*t hot geometery and a reallky nice finish quality. Edited March 12, 2006 by philking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 i like how spunkey monekey boy would like to see more "traditional" style frames like leesons etc etc, ( i think thats what he was hinting at anyway) to be fair everyone knows i prefer steel bikes like leesons curtis and iolo's but thats not what i meant. it just get me the way bike companies now seem to be bringing out new frames just to look different, if they spent half as much time worrying about how it rode and how long it'd last instead of how it looks we'd have some much better frames available. this onza may well ride amazingly too but why the need for the stupid bits of excess metal on the headtube, whats wrong with welding the downtube and toptube straight onto the headtube like the rest of the MTB world have done for years.look at DH bike, about 6/7 years ago they started doing silly shit with the visual design of the bikes adding big CNC bits etc and what happened? the bikes looked great and either rode like shit or snapped. now they're back towards a more normal design and the bikes ride better now than ever before.i'd like to see onza make a frame that looked like a bike instead of an art gallery exhibition and worry about the geo rather than the looks.oh yeah and i think that one 'looks' great at the front and shit at the back but to be fair i still wouldn't own one even if it rode brilliantly because of that stupid excess styling. go back to simple, 8 tubes all welded straight onto each other and leave the CNC machine to make ornaments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 So that's where onza's are concieved.thats literally where everything is conceived my friend. if you can find more things made in any other country than taiwan (bike wise) you will be doing well hehe.most things are made there on the price and the quality of taiwan nower days is so much better.Waynio...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendee Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Just because its seens as a 'starter' company, dont mean there top end stuff is going to be crap? I have had a t-rex frame for comming upto a year now, might be a year actually, and I've given that some hammer (a bit bigger then our average you see ) And it go no signs of snapping soon, so just get over the fact that it dosent have koxx or echo or zoo writen on it, and ride it.And once again where did the idea from that frame come from? all they did was rip ANOTHER design off and beef it up, far to much in my opionion. and to be honest i think anyone can take a frame make everytube 5mm thick (i know they aint just a example) change it a little so its again fatter and uglyer and then make it ride like a lump of turd. (i know all you bumers wont agree cus you penis is in onzas arse for making a frame you can afford)When i saw the limey i was like thank f**k onza have been to specsavers and sorted there blurry vision out and might actually change there ways, but dont seem that way.I also agree with the cnc part there is getting to be to much nowerdays i think echo had the perfect amount of cnc on the first control (dropouts and chainstay plates). bikes do seem to be going to the extreme im suprised there arnt more bike like the ruthless lol.i reckon give this frame to anyriders that can hook and after a day that headtube would be off, looks gash and seems to off drastically reduced the weld area of the headtube.I know i dont know how this frame rides im just going off every frame onza have made, but from the pics it looks very long and personally with mods long is defo not the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilky_mod_legend2 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Bloody hell I give it 2 days 'til there's a thread in NMC called "New T-Pro and you can use 2 BBs in it and discs and stuff"...You would give it a whole 2 days I dont like it, it would be so bad if it wasnt for the 'second b/b ' also cant wait to see someone rip the headtube off.CheersWilky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 tomm i think people are quoting off "past" experiences. Past experiences compared to what though? Tomm said people were judging how it rides already without having ridden it, so it doesn't really matter at all what you've ridden before if you don't know anything at all about a frame. If you're trying to say "People have ridden Onzas before", so what? I rode a Levelboss 1065 that felt like shit, but from that I wouldn't say "All Koxx frames are shit", would I? Not fussed really. It's cool they're trying other stuff. Maybe they should just learn from Koxx and Echo's example with their new ranges and just bring out loads of different colour-anodised parts to win everyone's love? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Maybe they should just learn from Koxx and Echo's example with their new ranges and just bring out loads of different colour-anodised parts to win everyone's love? or maybe they should all stop producing shit parts just to push up the profits and start building bikes that ride well and dont die...i know onza do a great job of filling their place in the market but you have to admit theres alot of the same old crap being produced by the majoirty of trials companies atm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I love the way that no matter what the topic is, Waynio writes an essay which always ends up with "The new Koxx frame that I've got this week is worth every penny of the £700 it cost..." I think it looks nice... the colour doesn't do it any favours, but there seems to be an awful lot of opinion floating around about it already... and to be honest thats all it is... opinon.Your all the kind of people who still wouldn't buy a Skoda despite the fact they are now brilliant cars... we seem to forget Zoo's stodgy first frames as well, noone gives them any grief about their history?The headtube thingy doesnt look like it will rip off, it seems to have plenty of weld space on both sides, although it does seem a bit ott. But lets not kid ourselves, anyone who says on this forum that they think its silly cos they dont buy a trials specific frame cos it looks different, I'd say 75% are telling porkies.Yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 or maybe they should all stop producing shit parts just to push up the profits and start building bikes that ride well and dont die... Matter of opinion? Think about how many people have Zoo Pythons and really like how they ride. I've heard of...I think maybe 2 breaking, ever. Bear in mind that 3/4 of the developed world rides this frame, and that means a pretty low ratio of broken products compared to all the products sold. Yet I know fewer people have the Leeson, yet I've heard of 7 or 8 of them breaking at the seat-stay? Yes, fantastic, you can try and get it rewelded, but I'd still rather get a frame that didn't break in the first place? Anyway, the whole "People like the way they ride/they don't break" thing covers a shitload of the frames from HouseofDEng, Koxx and some of the Onza range too, so your arguement's pretty flawed anyway? I know you can't put a seat on them or legitimately put a "steel is real" sticker on them, but so f**king what? People still like their frames, so what's the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Grainger Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 2 bb shells? doesnt look that bad, but 2 bb shells, that would be a really good idea i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Matter of opinion? Think about how many people have Zoo Pythons and really like how they ride. I've heard of...I think maybe 2 breaking, ever. Bear in mind that 3/4 of the developed world rides this frame, and that means a pretty low ratio of broken products compared to all the products sold. Yet I know fewer people have the Leeson, yet I've heard of 7 or 8 of them breaking at the seat-stay? Yes, fantastic, you can try and get it rewelded, but I'd still rather get a frame that didn't break in the first place? Anyway, the whole "People like the way they ride/they don't break" thing covers a shitload of the frames from HouseofDEng, Koxx and some of the Onza range too, so your arguement's pretty flawed anyway? I know you can't put a seat on them or legitimately put a "steel is real" sticker on them, but so f**king what? People still like their frames, so what's the problem?did i say a word about leesons? i've spent the last year on an echo and am now on a monty.what i was saying was that i'm f**king sick of companies releasing new parts just to make more money, the whole industry seems to be going profit orientated and it shouldn't, yes we all have to make a living but at the same time we should all be able to buy decent products and lets face it 50% of the trials parts that are out there are shit and are only available because the company who makes them decided 'that'll do, we'll sell it now and next year they'll be back for a new one'. and lets face it, all onza are interested in is the profits and thats come pretty much from the horses mouth...i dont care whether your bikes alu or steel, british or taiwaneese but if your going to make a bike build it so it rides well and doesn't break, worry about the looks afterwards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 or maybe they should all stop producing shit parts just to push up the profits and start building bikes that ride well and dont die...i know onza do a great job of filling their place in the market but you have to admit theres alot of the same old crap being produced by the majoirty of trials companies atm... maybe is someone eased your spank plank out of clives arse it would help you see things from an even perspective leeson bikes die >>>>.<<<< fullstop. so do onza bikes. but at least with an onza you paid 350quid tops, for a frame that probably would ride nicer (and last longer ) only thing is with onza, you dont get the name. i'm sick of companies releasing new parts just to make more money holy shit i could have swore that was the point of being a bike company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 what i was saying was that i'm f**king sick of companies releasing new parts just to make more money, Isnt that what every company in the entire world does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 maybe is someone eased your spank plank out of clives arse it would help you see things from an even perspective leeson bikes die >>>>.<<<< fullstop. so do onza bikes. but at least with an onza you paid 350quid tops, for a frame that probably would ride nicer (and last longer ) only thing is with onza, you dont get the name. maybe if you read the f**king post you'd see i don't even ride a leeson anymore...Isnt that what every company in the entire world does?nope, most do but some who actually give a shit about their customers and their impact on the environment try to do things a bit different.howies.co.uk - thats the way to run a business... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 It is just a prototype and as such it's design could change greatly, i'd say it probobly will once they find out how weak the headtube is, but anyway, it's the same with everything. Mobile phone's for example, don't allways have the most up to date design/features, mainly because the company can release something of lesser functionality, do little work, in a year release this kick ass phone they have, and make people think 'oh yes this is fantastic cutting edge technology'It happens, and the only thing you can do about it is to not buy the product's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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