the judge Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 I beams are stiff but they don't have much weld area on the end so surely that would make it easier to snap the headtube clean off the frame?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve sturt Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 I beams are stiff but they don't have much weld area on the end so surely that would make it easier to snap the headtube clean off the frame??Proof is in the pudding so to speak. How about a radical idea?????????? We decide once its been tested to pieces how long it lasts, as opposed to judging its strength on looks and hearsay. Onza make and sell bikes. Must of us dont. They know more abut what they are doing that the vast majority of the people on here. This thread has also brought out from the woodwork certain members who evidently dont know anything about bikes, as well as those who do. I guess some people are always going to be a misplaced hammer in the sharp knife draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 "Argh noes its got 2 wheels its a copy"Sounds stupid but thats basically what a lot of people in here are saying. When building a bike frame your pretty limited design wize think about it the headtube, dropouts, bb shell all have to be in near enough the same place theres only so many ways to join them up.Would you rather onza made a frame that was 'different' and fell appart in 2 seconds? Maybe have one chainstay because its not been done? Theres no point in being different just for the sake of being different. It looks like onza are taking concepts that weve all seen used before and taking their own twist on them and trying to improve upon them. If no one used other peoples concepts we would still all be living in caves.Look at the t-pro for instance? It was very similar to the old koxx levelboss but improved upon it with a different downtube and a few other tweaks. People seam to class bikes like the t-pro as a budget bike but really they are the same quality and spec as koxx bikes etc costing double the price. Afterall half the components are made in the same factory.Sure in the past onza made some bikes that broke but who didnt? Looking back 3-4 years or more every single Echo ES2/3/4 broke yet everyone seams to have forgotten about that? Look at their latest frames they are very much so just as good if not better than the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Poyzer @ Onza Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 As somebody has rightly pointed out, the frame is nothing like a Zoo Python. OK, it has CNC side plates but so have many frames. I am over here designing and discussing many things with our suppliers and also frame designs with our many manufacturers. This frame was put together to look at and address some ideas and was nothing more. The central CNC plates were braced in the middle with the horizontal tube as some others have pointed out, because it has no seat tube. Most of these ideas are attempts to increase the stength and stiffness of the frame and improve the braking power. Very few go into production but they are building blocks on the way. Lots of the ideas we throw around over here will come to fruition later in the year and I like to see all the controversy something like this brings up but some of you should really lighten up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 "Argh noes its got 2 wheels its a copy"Exactley. Koxx headtube, zoo seat-tube arrangement? The onza's design in both those departments is CLEARLY differant, it may be based upon the same principle, and from a distance may look rather similar, but I think that 'second bottom bracket shell' might just have a good chance of being a good idea. It allows there to be an absence of a seat tube, while still maintaining stiffness where it is needed.Mike, do you's tend to design a few (similar) frames in a CAD package, run a few test's and then make a prototype out of what look's to be the best, or is it a case of making a prototype out of an idea using simple working drawings?Anyway, isn't it an improvement on the older T-mag? That's one bike i've never liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Fox Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 looks like its come straight from the set of 'ALIEN VS PREDATOR'most horrible looking frame since the barracudda ghetto with the big B cut out haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Hi, that looks alright. Not to sure on it though does anyone have some geo?Thanks from Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 This topic is GAY GAY GAY.i wanna know why this forum gets clogged up with shite!! it's full of people that think they know everything IMO! 'that frames gunna snap there, there and there.' <--------wtf!!! you can't work out that kinda stuff from a couple of pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 This topic is GAY GAY GAY.i wanna know why this forum gets clogged up with shite!! it's full of people that think they know everything IMO! 'that frames gunna snap there, there and there.' <--------wtf!!! you can't work out that kinda stuff from a couple of pictures But you can determine the weaker points of a frame if you know what to look for........It's why I want to see some stress analysis of it, while it won't be 100% accurate, but it will give an idea of where the frame is likely to fail, and (less accurate again) what sort of forces will be likely to produce failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 But you can determine the weaker points of a frame if you know what to look for........It's why I want to see some stress analysis of it, while it won't be 100% accurate, but it will give an idea of where the frame is likely to fail, and (less accurate again) what sort of forces will be likely to produce failure.but why do people want to even highlight these problems if the bloomin frame is in it's prototype stages argh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 I know. Perhaps a dictionary link to 'prototype' would help some of those who don't seem to grasp the concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 i think it would look good in silver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 i think it would look good in silver. Fact: That's the first time since 2001 that phrase has been used on TF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Fact: That's the first time since 2001 that phrase has been used on TF. lol what do i win? will they bring out a new t-master do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I wouldn't know (A) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 oh my god they are arent they does it look like a gu with a headset like the t-mag proto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Wasnt the drop stayed mod the new t-master? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 From what I'm led to believe, it might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 not what ive heard, ive heard its gonan be a completly new named bike.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) onza boy mark lies or is it just gossip :o Edited March 16, 2006 by Synergy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'd buy it I like to be diffrent from the rest, and i would try the frame out! You dont have to have a frame thats a onza, but its a exact copy of a python! it can be diffrent in alot of places, and still be good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I asked what I should refer to my new frame as. I was told "It's possibly going to be the new T-Master, so T-Master will do." Pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I asked what I should refer to my new frame as. I was told "It's possibly going to be the new T-Master, so T-Master will do."Pretty much.Who do I have to sleep with to get a go on one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikeDotStuffAtOnzaDotCom Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Who do I have to sleep with to get a go on one ?Mark, obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 I'm at South Bank tomorrow, so you can give me a go then Sadly, no riding. Uni open day. w00t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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