DAB Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Just to let you no if you use, or are thinking of useing water in you maguras i would strongly suggest you don't!!!!!!!!! i have just cleaned out the 9th set of maguras on customers bikes that have use water What happens is that the air in the water rots the seals and if you use deinonised water it does the same because the ph balance acts like acid!!!!!!! magura blood is designed to lube the system, thats why it's in there.....it also voids the warranty..... the pro's can afford to do it cos they get them for free.. so think before you do it and don't say i did'nt tell.........IT'S NOT AN OPINION!!! THIS IS FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacakes Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Water's fine, I know people who have had there breaks bled with water for a year and a half and counting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom tom Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 i dont use water but ive heard it works better, the one bike ive had ago on that does use it felt craptom tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The lemonade man Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Surely if you bleed it well and often enough it won't get air in it and rot the seals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam-pantera Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 lets put it this way i no it does that 2 your brakes but i dont care because everytime i use antifreze and water my brake works mega so i dont realy care its everyones choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sixstreet Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Just to let you no if you use, or are thinking of useing water in you maguras i would strongly suggest you don't!!!!!!!!! i have just cleaned out the 9th set of maguras on customers bikes that have use water What happens is that the air in the water rots the seals and if you use deinonised water it does the same because the ph balance acts like acid!!!!!!! magura blood is designed to lube the system, thats why it's in there.....it also voids the warranty..... the pro's can afford to do it cos they get them for free.. so think before you do it and don't say i did'nt tell.........IT'S NOT AN OPINION!!! THIS IS FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Are you saying the oxygen in water or trapped air? If its trapped air then a good bleed would be ok? If you're talking chemically oxygen then I dont understand how this can rot seals. The ph of deionised water is pretty close to 7 which is about as neutral as you can get.You're saying royal blood lubes the system and thats fair enough but what has that got to do with rotting seals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewannnn Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Water is perfect for magura's your just not bleeding it right if you get problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Just to let you no if you use, or are thinking of useing water in you maguras i would strongly suggest you don't!!!!!!!!! i have just cleaned out the 9th set of maguras on customers bikes that have use water What happens is that the air in the water rots the seals and if you use deinonised water it does the same because the ph balance acts like acid!!!!!!! magura blood is designed to lube the system, thats why it's in there.....it also voids the warranty..... the pro's can afford to do it cos they get them for free.. so think before you do it and don't say i did'nt tell.........IT'S NOT AN OPINION!!! THIS IS FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Shut up waters fine u bogus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvtrial Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Water sucks so badly! Never use water, that's to thin to use, a good oil would work fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Never, ever, ever, ever, ever... ...ever, ever, ever had a problem with water. Been running water for over a year now, and I've also been running a super strong antifreeze/water mix now for a month or 2 with no problems. Just to clarify, by "rot the seals", do you just meant it leaked? Equally, it shouldn't do that even with a shit bleed? Ah well, c'est la vie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Shouty dave don't know what he's talking about. Whats happend to you lately mark, Youve gone right weird, None the less you make me laugh. P.S: Freewheel going strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmt_oli Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 I can't quite see how it 'rots' the seals, it may degrade them quicker, ie they age faster and crack- this is especially likely if the system freezes.However neutral water is, and how resiliant ali is, aluminium DOES corrode, allbeit slowly, and usually forms a protective layer of oxide. Oil in the system helps stop the allow corroding in frictional places, ie pistons. while the effect is very small, it is there.Oil is overall better for the brake. It holds floating particles better- last time i bled an old maggie, the fluid was nearly black with fine aluminuim particles generated by the friction from the pistons, as it has to be a good seal. The oil helps keep this from 'scratching' the inside of the brake- imagine a car engine running with water as oil instead.Again, if you bleed regularly this is not a problem.As far as a shops point of view it is a big pain, as it voids any warranty, and creates more work and hassle.Yes, water feels good in the brake, and if you don't mind loosing your warranty, and loosing a few years off the life of your brake (maggies last for a LONG time before they wear out, unless they break first!) then go for it. make sure you bleed regularly, and use plenty of antifreeze (this in itself helps restore some of the properties of the oil, its anticorrosive for a start).Other wise, i would reccomend using a good thin mineral oil. i use 2.5wt shock oil, and its great. thicker than water, but thinner than maggie blood (about 5wt) so still feels very positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Hi.Maybe whats happening to your brake is that the water is freezing and expanding therefor breaking the seals.Just a thought your probably right as well because water is slightly alkali and de-icier is very acidic.Thanks from Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff... Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 (edited) Just to let you no if you use, or are thinking of useing water in you maguras i would strongly suggest you don't!!!!!!!!! i have just cleaned out the 9th set of maguras on customers bikes that have use water What happens is that the air in the water rots the seals and if you use deinonised water it does the same because the ph balance acts like acid!!!!!!! magura blood is designed to lube the system, thats why it's in there.....it also voids the warranty..... the pro's can afford to do it cos they get them for free.. so think before you do it and don't say i did'nt tell.........IT'S NOT AN OPINION!!! THIS IS FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who gives a shit by the time the warter has fooked the seals up everything else most liky be fooked i have used warter for ages and it's better but in winter i just use maggie blood.Oh and i aint giving you shit btw before you take it the wrong way i'm just saying no1 really gives a shit bout it. Edited March 11, 2006 by hinchcblob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siders77 Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 This thread= Bollocks. I ran water in my Maggys for 2 years at least. They only froze once and that was this winter when it was reallllllly cold. I've not had any problems with using water and I only bled my brake a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewannnn Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 I prefer water because the brake bounces back quicker and is not NEARLY as spongey as with magura oil, ok it will freeze over in the winter but thats where you have half water,half de-icer. Works better than magura oil on ALL the brakes i have ever tried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacakes Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Hi.Maybe whats happening to your brake is that the water is freezing and expanding therefor breaking the seals.Just a thought your probably right as well because water is slightly alkali and de-icier is very acidic.Thanks from Stuart. When the water inside the maggy freezes it just pushes out the pistons so they go closer to your rim. No harm done really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aff1e Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 hi my m8 wayn3 bleed his brakes with water and they are fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTrialSpaz Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 If you're so water cautious, boil it ifrst and bleed it witha bleed kit as soon as then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Ward Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 The only way the water will rot the seals on a maggie is if you do a really shite bleed and you have air in the system, water only does damage if air is in the system.Yes there is a certain amount of oxygen trapped in water ( as it is 1 third oxygen ) but that isnt enough to rot seals, as proved by the majority of people using water in the magura and a tiny minority of these people having a problem with it.sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
human_furball Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Load of rubbish. Water and maguras don't mix and I agree with Dave. Why do you think they put magura blood in there in the first place? huh? Perhaps it's because water isn't good enough and screw with them?!Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission man Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 i havent ever used water in my brakes but my m8 has and it felt weak. i use cooking oil in mine and so do some of my m8s and it works well and i havent found any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinksy Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 When the water inside the maggy freezes it just pushes out the pistons so they go closer to your rim. No harm done really.This is not true because say the water freezes right next to the piston then all the water between the piston and the lever is trapped so therefore if that freezes as well then it would have to push the pipe out thus spliting it. SO HTT 4 Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigs_gu Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 yes water is ok but it freezes your brake hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roby James124 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I heard it works a lot betta but i dont see why but i cant be arsed trying it rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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