Olly C Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Just sitting here watching AndrewTtheONE amongst others as you do..And it got me thinking how good a sport Trials really is, obviously most of us here have been riding for some time now, we see great Trials videos week in week out and obviously can ride Trials ourselves to varied standards. But sit back and think about the basis and basics of Trials and what the sport really is..I think it really is something special myself, the level of control over ones bike, the extent of obstacles that can be tackled and the various ways to do so. Lots of extreme sports these days seem to be heavily trick orientated where as Trials is something different, its about people overcoming what lays in their path and working out the best way to do so as well as thinking up more effective ways or just different ways to tackle the challenge once you've first done it.I think most of the time I overlook the effort that goes into most peoples riding and fail to appreciate Trials as a sport, you see people in the street and they stand there amazed at what most of us think are simple tricks or "small" obstacles when really its a pretty good achievement each time.I've liked seeing how different techniques have been progressed to higher levels over the last few years and how new techniques have resulted in more advanced levels of riding and bike control in general.Not sure how the rest of you feel but I thought I'd share my view for others to read..Olly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I know what you mean, I have not been on the bike in a month or so and last night took it to work to give it a service and set everything up. On the way out I was playing on some pallets and the rest of the people were astounded at the level of control and balls it would take to do that.I am not a very good rider to start with and with a month off the bike... even worse than usual. But when you think of the skills that you work to find in the beginning and the level of riding your at now it makes you think your not so bad afterall.Trials as a sport seems a lot more technique involved than most sports. I shoot compeititily and once you have mastered a few small basics its just refining the technique. Trials you are constantly learning new stuff. More than canbe said for football/rugby/running and other common market sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 good topic.i look at sports like darts and say well all he has to do is hit a "number" with a dart, when in theory the precision of hitting that same number time and time again is quite hard, similar to trials getting something dialled can be hard but pleasing when completed.darts was an example BUT you cant take darts much further than it requiring a bit of "precision" trials involves alot more, as such, balance, control, precision, balls you name it trials involves it. football for example doesnt involve much but accuracy when passing.i think trials is overlooked and would be great if it became alot more "Popular" to the general public shows and competitions should be more "IN" the publics face so they understand and can see what its all about.trials wont get seen as much if things like publicity doesnt get bigger or better. but from "opinions" of people looking at in and with me being injured JUST talking to the general public there like "wow!!!how do you do that? god its amazing" i think trials will have its come uppance and will end up in other MAJOR events, i just think time will tell. good topic, and like you olly, with injuries that have loomed me for the last couple of months, it has given me that time to sit back relax and look at trials as an overview, i look at it from a sales point of view from the shop, from a riders point of view and then from a "joe bloggs" who is watching it on the street kind of view. but it would be sooooooooo nice for trials to become more than what it is. i tell you a video if you all would like to see how "THINGS" progress, buy the DVD "Joe Kid on a Sting Ray" then says "the history of bmx" i watched it with Akrigg, Porter and mad nick in Barcelona and it needs people like people did for BMX more than anything it needs a "Break through" cos there are sooooooooo many people in trials who are dedicated to "Taking it to the next level" its just tha/themt people committing time money and effort into it. if i had a few Hundred Thousand or even a few thousand pounds id love to pump money into something if i could see it totally progressing and been seen as a major character that GOT trials somewhere. but trust me this dvd is £19.99 and people on here should really get it watch it and "think" about how trials could develop and how lucky we are to be where we are today sorry bout the essay but its a good post in which some of the "older" trials generation will appreciate alot more than the younger. a lad doing trials within the last 2/3 years are LUCKY as hell. if you've done it for like 4+ you will understand if you look back on how trials was, and how it is now. i know for sure it has progressed so much (in such a good way) it needs the "Spark" for something big and it be noticed more.Waynio.............................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Staples Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 i've been riding for 6 bloody years now. i've thought about it alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street Lee Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Trials is a relatively new sport compared to BMX though and I think with the way the street style of riding is heading, it will become more apealing to the public. I've not been riding long but I enjoy it because even a curb or small wall can keep you entertained for ages whereas when I rode BMX I didn't enjoy street and there are no good parks around here. Suppose what I'm geting at is, trials is a good sport because there is rideable terrain EVERYWHERE and it hasn't got to be perfect conditions either.That went nowhere, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Trials is a relatively new sport compared to BMX though Trials has been around since the late 70s? Early 80s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Trials has been around since the late 70s? Early 80s?i guess he means trials is new to the majority, bmx took off in a big way when it started, trials didnt, it wasnt really til the 90's (or at least it seems to me) when trials really became noticed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugson Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Trials as a sport seems a lot more technique involved than most sports. I shoot compeititily and once you have mastered a few small basics its just refining the technique. Trials you are constantly learning new stuff. More than canbe said for football/rugby/running and other common market sports.More than can be said for market sports? are u joking. Footballers and the likes are always perfecting their technique, i can think of no sport were u just get to a certain level and thats it, u stop learning. Dnt rain on other sports because you dont like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 More than can be said for market sports? are u joking. Footballers and the likes are always perfecting their technique, i can think of no sport were u just get to a certain level and thats it, u stop learning. Dnt rain on other sports because you dont like them.Read my post please. Not wanting to ruin this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBProductions Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 In general I believe all forms of bike riding is a great thing. We just need a bigger recognition as a sport rather than being known as just a few people doing so called stunts on bikes. I havent been doing trials long but I raced dh since I was young and that is a sport which has grown slowly and recently took off , so I believe trials will given time. Although it will take some doing and some money, commitement and united efforts from top riders. Good Topic Olly.Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Motivator Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I sometimes think the complete oposite.Trials, idiots hopping on thier back wheels. What a bunch of burgers.I do enjoy trials though. I enjoy the visible progresion, for example one second you are unable to make a gap and the next second your over there. That's the bit I enjoy.Obviously meeting many cool people is great too.I dunno, I just contradicted myself lots there. I just get a lot of crap at college for riding 'gay trials'.Hmmn, live on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Trials has been around since the late 70s? Early 80s?Don't be pedantic Chris, you know what he meant. Trials, which ever way you look at is, is a new sport. We've only recently, in the past 3 or 4 years seen proper developments, and trials is far from going past infancy. There is so much un-touched knowledge and culture that we have yet to discover.Go ask someone what BMX is, they'll be like, "yeah, it's this...". Go ask someone what trials is, and watch the bemused face slide across as they're like "am i meant to know this?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 i've been riding for 6 bloody years now. i've thought about it alot.haha awesome response.... as for lame sports that only take a while to master ? I cant really think of any ... alot dont require much skill - but those usually mean a bucket load of dedication and pain (how bout running a marathon) trials is one of those (fairly rare) sports that requires a bucket load of skill dedication physical fitness and pain.... and as such is a pretty amazing one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 ^^ you summed up what I meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street Lee Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 (edited) Trials may have been around since the 70's but BMX blew up in a big way in the 70's, big difference. Edited February 20, 2006 by Street Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Trials is, and has always been overlooked as an extreme sport. And its that title of Extreme Sport that makes it what it is. The reason it is so overlooked is because its never taken seriously, its seen as the 'freak show' and is not extreme enough for the blonde haired, die hard MX fan who shouts 'Yeah Dude!' at everything.Trials, as previously said is all about control, style and co-ordination, all of which have to be at their peak to make a good rider (to the trained eye) when anything in trials is pulled off it is like an art. To the untrained eye it is unbelievable, to the trained eye it is progression.I believe that it is a good thing that trials is an under-estimated sport, it makes it unique and is then branded as a sport that requires the rider to be near perfect. I say 'sport' but really to anyone who isn't a rider, a bike is a bike, not a sport.The practice that trials requires, is what I think makes it good. Every single trials rider is committed, no matter what, they wouldn't do it otherwise. They all have a goal to become better, even the best riders in the world which they could be better, and for the average street rider with his/her mates, they which they could be better then their mates...there are no limits.Although, the best thing about trials I'll think you'll all agree on is the riders. They all tend to be sound, its the same with mototrials and the people I have met though that. Everyone is willing to help or offer advice, its great...example of this is the bike the forum members built up for deej's missus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 I think the one thing that will always get me going is just that feeling, its not before or after the move it is that precise feeling as your back wheel lands and grips right where you wanted it to and the joy, the releif and everything floods out of you and for that split second you like nothing else can phase youi dont ride for sponsers or height or anything i ride for those moments ^^^ and the moments with your friends! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 i've been riding for 6 bloody years now. i've thought about it alot.7 years for me...Its not about what you do whilst riding, its more about the technique you use and the way you ride it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Staples Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 7 years for me...Its not about what you do whilst riding, its more about the technique you use and the way you ride it.fred rides it like he stole it. hcore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 What the hell Matt? You worry me sometimes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nick Riviera Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 he's become andy t's catchphrase bitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny B Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 hhhhhmmmm interesting topic that you lot have got going on indeed yes, trials has indeed evolved in many ways and has had sooo many different phases and fashion trends that it has gone through and me being someone that has now ridin trials for over ten years i can comment on the trends that it has taken, some have been good and productive and others just being a complete and utter load of bollo** that have lined the pockets of the select few...... I think that the street rider seen has been really good for the comp side of the sport due to the fact that a lot of them ended up filtering into the comp seen thus allowing the sport itself to grow in great ways, where as i think the sometimes mix between the styles of trials and bmx is awful, but then again i would say that due to the fact that i am a die hard comp rider and smooth natural riding is the thing that i like in trials and for me the best rider is the person that wins the comp not the person that does the biggest move but then can't get through the same route as what my little brother would ride (And that wasn't a dig) good topic btw danny..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 -->QUOTE(danny B @ Feb 21 2006, 04:44 PM) ←hhhhhmmmm interesting topic that you lot have got going on indeed yes, trials has indeed evolved in many ways and has had sooo many different phases and fashion trends that it has gone through and me being someone that has now ridin trials for over ten years i can comment on the trends that it has taken, some have been good and productive and others just being a complete and utter load of bollo** that have lined the pockets of the select few...... I think that the street rider seen has been really good for the comp side of the sport due to the fact that a lot of them ended up filtering into the comp seen thus allowing the sport itself to grow in great ways, where as i think the sometimes mix between the styles of trials and bmx is awful, but then again i would say that due to the fact that i am a die hard comp rider and smooth natural riding is the thing that i like in trials and for me the best rider is the person that wins the comp not the person that does the biggest move but then can't get through the same route as what my little brother would ride (And that wasn't a dig) good topic btw danny.....See I'm completely opposite. I did motorcycle trials for 11 years, competitons weekend after weekend, not being big headed but I took it as far as I could, without spending big money which I saw was pointless.After 10 years of serious trials, I got bored and spent a year doing more trick riding, usual trials riding but more stopping, which isn't allowed in trials so it was pointless unless I was willing to give up competing and look for something new.Trying to mix trick riding with normal riding was difficult as hell, but after a year it just felt like I could do no more with it and decided to pack in and quit. Now put me on a motorbike and I'm the worlds biggest show off and I love the look of bike trials, but its only street riding that ever appealed because its different to my usual natural terrain, and the combination of BMX/trick riding made me want to try it...so I packed in and started in bike trials, never looked back.I admit, its each to their own, natural or street. But I think its just what your more used to seeing or what appeals to someone more due to their idols or simply because of their location.Obviously being a natural fan, you would admire the control of a rider, where as street is in the trend of 'how high/far can you....' which is pathetic in my opinion, although its fun to ride.I have rode natural before, being a terrible/novice rider, I hated it, I didnt have the control or balance, but for an experienced street rider would probably like it a lot more. I don't exactly know what the hell im talking about, I think I've repeated myself a few times. but what the hell...copy and paste the bits that make sense, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Staples Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 he's become andy t's catchphrase bitchwerd.i'm stopping now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon racoon Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 (edited) (danny B @ Feb 21 2006, 04:44 PM) hhhhhmmmm interesting topic that you lot have got going on indeed yes, trials has indeed evolved in many ways and has had sooo many different phases and fashion trends that it has gone through and me being someone that has now ridin trials for over ten years i can comment on the trends that it has taken, some have been good and productive and others just being a complete and utter load of bollo** that have lined the pockets of the select few...... I think that the street rider seen has been really good for the comp side of the sport due to the fact that a lot of them ended up filtering into the comp seen thus allowing the sport itself to grow in great ways, where as i think the sometimes mix between the styles of trials and bmx is awful, but then again i would say that due to the fact that i am a die hard comp rider and smooth natural riding is the thing that i like in trials and for me the best rider is the person that wins the comp not the person that does the biggest move but then can't get through the same route as what my little brother would ride (And that wasn't a dig) good topic btw danny.....Yup...you keep me coming back to the forum! It's safe to say I disagree with most of what you've written there Edited February 22, 2006 by the boon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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