Concussion Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I need a more reliable free-wheel/engagement set-up, Kings are to expensive and Hopes just don’t seem good enough. The single speed option - screw on rear hub with ACS freewheel seemed limited as I am used to using two gears, 20 X 18 for trials and 20 X 11 for getting about. Although the toughness and engagement of these freewheels seems very attractive.SO…….I got to thinking, why not put an ACS on the front (Tensile), a fixed sprocket/screw on hub combo on the back, AND wield another smaller sprocket to the original screw on fixed sprocket and hopefully use my shifter to switch between the two? I originally thought about putting a ACS on the back with two up front but that seems worse, if not impossible! Can anyone see anything wrong in doing this, as without buying the bits, I can’t get my head round what problems I might run into?Top of my head: The space to wield another sprocket will be very limited / will it shift between gears as I won’t have shifting guides, at least not on the larger screw on sprocket / as an ACS is 18T, what gear combo would I need to get the same ratio as above (gear ratio calc seems to be down, as does my brain! )Phew` Anything else?Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 You could simply weld up a deore hub and be able to fit a cassette on the back, or just buy a hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I need a more reliable free-wheel/engagement set-up, Kings are to expensive and Hopes just don’t seem good enough. The single speed option - screw on rear hub with ACS freewheel seemed limited as I am used to using two gears, 20 X 18 for trials and 20 X 11 for getting about. seeems a bit strange that you're going from a hope to an acs, but there we go....You will definitly need a mech/tensioner of some sort because otherwise it will jump off if the chain isn't tight. Seems a good idea otherwiseI think Pete's idea is pretty cool though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 You could simply weld up a deore hub and be able to fit a cassette on the back, or just buy a hope H`mmm, that's interesting Although I thought I'd save some weight using a DMR SS hub, but maybe not? Cool idea I'm just saying ACS as a general name for that type of freewheel, sorry! In fact the only reason I'm trying this is cause I read about a 72EP expensive one last night....er` ENO summit?I don't own a Hope! Just judging them from the info I read here, Bulbs break, Monos are ok. For £80 I want a bit more for my money. (yes you get cartridge bearings but who needs em` IMO?)What about that shifting....that’s gonna suck me thinks?I know this will cost more than £80 in the long run, but 72ep's without the price and hassle of a King!Yes please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Hope Pro II, all the strength of a profile with the weight of a singlespeed setup + 6 gears for £120, not to mention the hope warrenty. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 What can I say? Thanks anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Scratches head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 dont think thats trials friendly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmike Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I can't see why you don't really want to run a Hope, but why not just do as most freewheel users do, and run the freewheel on the front, then use a locked out deore, or echo fixed cassette hub, and stick gears on there. Then you can run lots of gears, and have no trouble shifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacakes Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 (edited) That is the trials eno freewheel with 72ep. The red and blue both have 36ep I think.whiteind.comZero run out, CNC'd machined cro-mo freewheel, sealed cartridge bearing, sealed externally, 36 points of engagement, three pawl mechanism. 1.37" x 24 tpi, accepts 1/8" or 3/32" chain. 16t, 17t, 18t, 19t, 20t, 21t, 22t, 23t . TRIALS: Green ringed 18t specific freewheel with 72 points of engagement, 6 pawl mechanism. DOS: Two speeds on one freewheel. 16/18, 17/19, and 16/19 made specifically for the Double/Double, accepts 3/32" chain. Edited February 8, 2006 by Jaffacakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Clark Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Hope Pro II, all the strength of a profile with the weight of a singlespeed setup + 6 gears for £120, not to mention the hope warrenty. PeteAre they actually released yet? How do you know they are gonna be as strong as a Profile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 (edited) I can't see why you don't really want to run a Hope, but why not just do as most freewheel users do, and run the freewheel on the front, then use a locked out deore, or echo fixed cassette hub, and stick gears on there. Then you can run lots of gears, and have no trouble shifting. I had not seen the Echo fixed hub before, as with the wielded Deore idea, this seems the way to go to run a front FW and gears. Cheers guys Hopes: I'm kind of obsessed with buying things and regretting it later (I got boxes full of crap!), well y`know! £80 seems like a lot when all I'm interested in is the freehub which will give me probs eventually, and I do appreciate the after service, but oh` well?Y`know, why can't they make a cheap cone/bb hub with the same freehub design (although this may be a design problem), maybe even pre-lubed for trials riders as they/you guys show them so much support?Thanks Jaffacakes, that's the puppy! (The red and blue both have 36ep) - Sweet, that's a Bulb, these look good! Edited February 8, 2006 by Concussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 or take a old hub..... weld it shut.....then just actually use the front free wheel ACS what? £12Sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 (edited) Totally!Does anyone know the best way to do this? Can't say I've ever come across it here?Maybe get rid of the heavy free hub body internals somehow? Edited February 8, 2006 by Concussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Balls Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 (edited) do the search...filling up the freehub with something sticky is enough to do it the thick loctite variety..or araldite?definitely on the search somewhere- post by steve-oAnd your idea..sounds like you are heading for concussion adam Edited February 8, 2006 by ad101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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