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Just coming in really late to state my point without reading the rest of the topic.

I personally believe religion was the first version of the law, used by people to stop crimes and such. It would be really hard to have a police force etc with a shitto government, and people were too busy warring with everyone at the time, so they bought out the bible.

"Hey, I'm gonna go kill my neighbour and rape his wife"

"Why?"

"Erm.... hmmm..... because if you do, then you will rot for eternity in hell after you die, if you live a non violent life, you will spend eternity in heaven, the greatest place that ever is"

"Oh shit really!? Thank f**k you told me that, I won't do it now, that was close"

And also used as a way because people didn't understand things.

"Hey father, why is it raining?"

"Erm, God sent it! Yeah, definately all up to God"

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AIDAN REPLYING,

Shalom my brother. OK,I now realise what you need to do to get onto the trials forum, and seeing as I don't ride trials (like I said) I'll continue to post through you, if you dont mind Cheers man. Just a few things I want to say...

Hey again everyone. Sheesh, you guys have posted loads since I last looked (before I went off to Israel 2 weeks ago, that was). I just want to know, if you are adamant that GOD does not exist, why are you still posting? It seems to me that deep, deep, DEEP down inside you, you know there is a GOD, but you don't want to believe because you know if you do you will have to change the way you live your lives (perhaps) and you don't want to. So while you're posting to try and 'prove' to me and Mike how GOD isn't real, you are actually trying to convince yourselves that He isn't real at the same time.

This is the work of the Devil, to be completely blunt with you. And that should make you feel scared, cos the Devil ain't nice, I think we all know that (even if you don't believe Heaven or Hell exist) He doesn't want you knowing GOD, so he tricks you into making you not believe and making you convince yourself GOD isn't real.

There's a fundamental mistake/misconception that's being said at the moment. The fact that GOD created everything so He created sin, right? WRONG! Read carefully, GOD made the world in 6 'days' (or periods, or whatever) but then on the 7th day, GOD RESTED! I.e. He stopped creating the world, it was all done, and "He saw that it was good". And sin came into the world after the 7th day, because the Satan worked his 'charm' onto mankind, and they, using their FREEWILL, choose to fall into temptation.

Mike has answered all the other stuff, just cos he got there before me! I just felt I needed to point that out.

Cheers man.

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There's a fundamental mistake/misconception

The only thing fundamental around here is you. You might have missed this point, but believing in a nice man floating about on a cloud does not give you the right to talk down to us.

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This is the work of the Devil, to be completely blunt with you. And that should make you feel scared, cos the Devil ain't nice, I think we all know that (even if you don't believe Heaven or Hell exist) He doesn't want you knowing GOD, so he tricks you into making you not believe and making you convince yourself GOD isn't real.

Hahaha, this has gone to a new level. Right then, you think you're going to heaven, right? Despite the fact we're all sinners, and that you will have sinned in your time? You're equating your relationship with God to that of Monks, who dedicate their whole lives to Christianity, and therefore hope to get into heaven? f**k that, if I'm going down, you're going down with me ;)

I can't actually believe you typed that. Ah well, believe your own shit if you want. I can't really be arsed sugar-coating crap any more. I had and have respect for Desire68, so I wouldn't speak to him in the same way, but f**k that. Your explanation for the creation of sin is totally flawed, but of course you won't get that... He said it was good, yet he left a f**king massive problem in the form of sin? HE created the Garden of Eden (I can't even comprehend how people believe that shit either, but hell, your religion I guess), and he created ALL of the problems they faced there, and he threw Adam and Eve out, f**king up billions of people yet to come.

That was f**king nice of him.

I don't want to go to heaven if he's such a vindicitive b*****d.

Oh wait, I'm Muslim, you don't worship my religion so f**k you, you aren't going to paradise. Come back to that one :rolleyes:

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Only read the last 3 or 4 replies...

Just for the record, I personally dont believe in God or religion or anything like that, never have... but, i'm not so narrow minded that I dont think that might change sometime in the future. (At the moment, I cant see it changing, but I may as well leave my options open).

Ok now thats out the way..

Thoughout life we're going to meet people who have opinions which differ to our own, and if you want to get through life without looking like a ignorant cock you need to accept that fact. There is no right or wrong, accept it and life happily ever after.

By the way that's not aimed at anyone directly, at all.

(EDIT: in summary, attacking someone for their beliefs, IMO is not cool.)

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In case that was aimed at me, I'm down with other people having opinions on stuff (in fact me 'n' Mike 'settled' everything a page or so back...), but when people wade in with shit like "This is the work of the Devil, to be completely blunt with you. And that should make you feel scared, cos the Devil ain't nice, I think we all know that (even if you don't believe Heaven or Hell exist) He doesn't want you knowing GOD, so he tricks you into making you not believe and making you convince yourself GOD isn't real." I get a bit arsey...

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