Davetrials Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) As the title says, im starting my video from scatch. cos it was "shit" Edited January 20, 2006 by Davetrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 angles that make the subject look beautiful, no need to actually see how big something is, at least not in every shot.using objects, motions and symmetry in the surroundings to create transitions that are invisible, rather than just fading in/out.flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Jones Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Just go with your instinct when you're filming. You know how riders act when they are riding/about to do a move/looking at a line/chilling out etc... its capturing all of it that is bloody hard... but thats just my mentality. Just be original, if you can, tis a hard thing. Where as editing, Ive just learnt to cut the shit and get to it... but still try and be artisitc/meaningful at the same time. Thats how I work... or at least try to.Best of luck bud J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted January 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Yer well the annoying thing is i need footage of me, and i doubt my cameramen will be up to scratchSo are say craig and neils videos good, pushing aside the riding..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Jones Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Yer well the annoying thing is i need footage of me, and i doubt my cameramen will be up to scratchSo are say craig and neils videos good, pushing aside the riding.....Just do your best, thats all you can do at the end of the day. They're vids are top fo' sure!J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 I dont know much about filming/editing but vids where the style of riding goes with the music are good, and from what ive seen when people move the camera for like where the rider is are alot more interesting to watch than just a tripod being set up and filming if you know what i mean.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Williams! Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 good angles not too much arty farty bull crap man show the trials look at caps video it was good and there wasnt too much arty angles in there was quality, also dont repeat that much and variety of moves is class and yer music is important if your not going crazy dont use crazy music, it should match your riding style wether it be chilled or energized.at the end of the day if the riding is sick which it probably will be non of this matters lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 its all about filming, capturing, editing it all yourself...that is why you never see me in the movies, whenever I ask someone to film me it comes out looking like shit I wrote some long thing over on OTN, let me try to find it for you here it is, apparently sparked from a PM someone sent me Was responding to a PM from an english chap, wound up writing a load of stuff. Posting if anyone is interested in a read:fkin hit the wrong button and deleted your PM but i got you now...I don't know really, most of my inspiration comes from within..kind of natural, but I have gotten better over the last couple of years. With anything- just practice alot, watch alot of BMX and skate films (i guess mtb films as well, i haven't seen any recently). Do alot of filming and editing and see what people think of it, see what kind of criticizms they have and try to change what they say sucks.I like to film and edit, I don't really like to capture but it is a very important part as well. They are all 3 separate deals, all equally important and all are different...if you have bad filming you will have a bad vid, likewise if you have bad editing but good filming it wont' be that good. In the beginning shoot for OK , not great, filming editing and capturing..don't shoot for the stars, people can tell when you are trying too hard and the final product will be shit. People capture differently. Some just set it to capture and get a huge f**king file of the whole tape on their computer, I can't do it like this. I have to go through each tape and take out every part I want piece by piece. It's a great help to have multiple folders for this in premiere (i'd take a screenshot but im 2000 miles from my home computer). Sometimes I cut off stuff that I would like to use when making the actual movie and I get hosed later so capture 3-5 seconds before the move starts and end the capture 3-5 seconds after the move. It is a PITA but you get used to it.I then watch the footage a few times, get some ideas of songs in my head then listen to the songs as I'm watching the clips to see if any of them match the feel of the video..this takes forever! sometimes days for me. Once I get the song i put it into premiere and start putting clips into it. Try not to get too crazy with cross fades - this is an easy way out...it might look wierd to just jump cut between clips (no fading between them, just one screen to the next) but people wont' notice it..they will notice if you fade between everything. Put a few fades here and there to match the music or if its a continuing section. The severe basics for music choices.....fast music with fast riding (usually urban), slow music with slow riding (usually natural). Fast or decently rythmed "rock"/"alternative" for sunny day footage and slower music/hip hop for dark/dreary/rainy or night footage. These aren't concrete rules by any means but if you follow them you won't come out with crap. The best music has a nice mix of slow and fast, it is really hard to do all fast in trials unfortunately (really really hard in fact, unless its a 30 second song). Music, imo, is 75% of the video. I can't watch videos repeatedly unless I like the music; it makes it so much more enjoyable.I don't know what kind of camera you have, but hopefully its a mini DV. There are cheapo "fisheye" lenses (fake ones) that work fine, mine is a piece of shit scratched to hell. Try to get something that doesn't distort it too crazy as people complain about this for no reason. I don't know #'s or anything but just dont' get anything that looks like a peephole. When filming try to get some shots without the fisheye on it if you can, it gives a little bit of variety and most people wont notice it but its still nice to do.uhh what else...titles. Very important. Don't put some big gay thing that just pops up in the middle of the screen for no reason then it jumps to someone riding. Treat the titles like the fluffing on the cake, it makes it all look good and when treated well. I tried some wierd shit in the early ftc videos (1,2,3) where I would make a title in photoshop and then bring it into premeire. Don't do this, it really looks like shit...but mine added a little bit of intereste with the photos- the quality just comes off as shit in the end after compression etc. Try to use premiere (i'm tinkering with after effects a little these days...) to do all your titles, pick one typeface and keep with it in all your series. It's like your corporate identity- peopel will get used to seeing it and they will be familiar and happy with it. DO NOT change typeface more than twice in the same film, and if you do make sure its not a great change or there had better be a great reason for it. in/out black fades are classic and you can't go wrong with simple 2 color stuff. Look at select bikes movies, they are pretty decent at it (the big pink/black selectbikes logo staring at your face). Also at the end of videos, you can get away with using type on a clip. Take the 2006 vincent H video I made, where vince is sitting on the mountain looking across the plain. This makes for a great place to put the title and you can see how it worked just fine.I'm probably forgetting lots of stuff so pm me more questions if you like, I can't really see shit on this lcd screen so sorry for spelling problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Good points there Andy. I'd love to have a good pop at making videos, and have a huge head full of ideas. Unfortunatley I don't have a movie camera, software or time, but all good stuff to think about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nick Riviera Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 still have that pm in my inbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Jones Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 (All of the above to save on thread space)Woah! Pretty much to a T. Andy mate, you should write a book on this stuff J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I like videos that I can watch over and over again. Thats to say, something which isn't too long that I'd get bored of, or too short that I wouldn't see the point in watchinghave to agree with you on the cameramen point Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe b Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Very nicely said, Andy! Cheers,Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockwork Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Other that what Jonny and Andy have already said, i would say that to make (editing part)a good vid watch lots of videos (action sports related) and then watch them all again and againbut on the second, third and fourth time try not to watch the riding, watch the editing.Also look at overall feel of a video, compare... say Contact with Sprung 5, both are very well edited filmsbut they both have a different feel to them, both equally good to watch though IMO.That said im no editing wizard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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