Savage Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Probably the finest 18T cogs...VIEWMachined from the high grade steel to the tightest tolerances. Produced in the USA. Thicker collar area produces flat surface to butt up against the bash ring/cranks arm to aid future removal.The cogs will be marketed under the PLAZMATIC brand name, along with their highly successful brake blocks. Other innovative quality parts will join the range soon.Price is still to be set, but it will be competitive, they should arrive in 2 – 3 weeks.Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 they look nice any idea on the price yet?any features that means we should ge these instead of any other cog?taWill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsriderjim Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 nice kog like very nice and strong hope they are cheapish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 surely some manufacturer has though as fat ahead as to make a tool to take them off. something like a bb tool or summit.it pisses me off to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 they look trick as hell. look extremly well made, looks good quality and strong materialwill have to be having one of those off you benny boy when you get them.they look strong and meaty, they dont look like a thin piece of steel like some fixed front cogs.Waynio...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Agree with Wayne, look very tough. But Im expecting them to be vastly overpriced. I've never heard of (and theres nothing in the search) of broken cogs though My onza 18t Is still as fine as it was when I bought it.So long as price is sub £20 it'll be a winnersurely some manufacturer has though as fat ahead as to make a tool to take them offYeah I agree will, that is one thing which I really hate.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducko Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 (edited) looks ok, Edited January 15, 2006 by craigdavies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 looks ok,i d ont think there is a need to work to really high tolerances on cogs, and any CNC machine could produce on of those exactly to a drawing.i might have a go at making on myself Really, f**king hell, you mean i dont need a milling machine with a pot of pixie dust and a leprechaun operater to make them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Really, f**king hell, you mean i dont need a milling machine with a pot of pixie dust and a leprechaun operater to make them?you know what craigo means mr.dave and it pisses me off that they dont have some kind of taking off device on them :@'nice flat edge so you have a chace of taking them off' PUT A FOOKING TOOL FITTING ON ONES SIDE AND YOU WONT HAVE TO HAVE A 'nice flat edge'fatty designers (woop, thats outta my system ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducko Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Really, f**king hell, you mean i dont need a milling machine with a pot of pixie dust and a leprechaun operater to make them?fair doos this forum is full of grumpy c**ts now, take a chill pill gimp this nis the only forum where you get moaned at for posting your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 this nis the only forum where you get moaned at for posting your opinionWhat other forums do you visit?Then you wont feel too far away from tf when we moan at you on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 fair doos this forum is full of grumpy c**ts now, take a chill pill gimp this nis the only forum where you get moaned at for posting your opinionPoint out the f**king obvious in the style of a retarded four year old and your gonna get the piss taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totaltrials Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 you know what craigo means mr.dave and it pisses me off that they dont have some kind of taking off device on them :@'nice flat edge so you have a chace of taking them off' PUT A FOOKING TOOL FITTING ON ONES SIDE AND YOU WONT HAVE TO HAVE A 'nice flat edge'fatty designers (woop, thats outta my system )Chain whips of fixed cogs, best thing about echo cogs with the holes in you can get them off with my custom tool .But, as for a cog, it looks great, will probably be heavier than others, Ive never heard of any front cogs breaking so Im not sure if there is much point in it being beefy, the tolerances thing is load of rubbish on a cog, I would doubt they are checked so much to keep some crazy stupid tolerances when it's totally not needed, from what I can see it's just a cog like all the others, when you machine cogs like that nothing can go wrong to get such bad tolerances, ye, so, they look good i suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducko Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 (edited) ok comment was a bit dull, but i do think the reply was a bit out of order,will we shall have to design a tool for the job Edited January 15, 2006 by craigdavies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Really, f**king hell, you mean i dont need a milling machine with a pot of pixie dust and a leprechaun operater to make them? you could probably make one, providing you have tohe correct machines/tools to be honest why the hell do they need to be made to such high tolerances its a f**king cog!! they get worn down!i dont think anyones ever had a problem with their cogs before apart form getting them back off after they've been used. maybe thats what the manufacturors should concentrate on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakley Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Chain whips of fixed cogs, best thing about echo cogs with the holes in you can get them off with my custom tool .But, as for a cog, it looks great, will probably be heavier than others, Ive never heard of any front cogs breaking so Im not sure if there is much point in it being beefy, the tolerances thing is load of rubbish on a cog, I would doubt they are checked so much to keep some crazy stupid tolerances when it's totally not needed, from what I can see it's just a cog like all the others, when you machine cogs like that nothing can go wrong to get such bad tolerances, ye, so, they look good i suppose honestly?i have snapped TWO echo ones, the one with the holes in and the one without!!joE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 how stupid of me... I only realise now what you mean Phil. Thats a really clever idea (although I don't think thats the intentiono of echo but still) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 honestly?i have snapped TWO echo ones, the one with the holes in and the one without!!joE! im guessing thats just the echo ones that are shit though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 The first batch of PLAZMATIC 18t front cogs have just arrived. They weigh in at 87grams, (digital scales), I’ve just screwed one on to a crank arm, no problem, thread location was very smooth.PM or mail me with any further questions.Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 how much you going to smack me one up for me benno????i think people want to know the price of them?Waynio........................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 The retail price is set at £19.50.Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 The retail price is set at £19.50.Ben.Wow they came out a lot cheaper than i thought they wouldSeems like a good deal to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim/Trialsin USA Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 (edited) We considered putting two flats on collar so that a tool similar looking to pedal wrench could be used. But to be honest, we didn't see the point. Creating special tools to get the thing off seemed to be a bit much. Why create new tools that people have to buy if it will not speed the job up? All you have to do is take your drive side pedal off, put a pipe on the arm, rotate until it wedges against the ground.... put chain whip on....... and push down. Cost of pipe?.......... usually free. If a cog is really stuck on there nasty....put a pipe on the chain whip, that will give you more than enough leverage to get it off. Pipe comes in handy for a number of operations on a bike that require a bit less than delicate hand.Over the years I have seen a number of cogs warp and/or break. I have also seen cogs that were machined so poorly the chain did not mesh correctly with the cog.Tim/Plazmatic Edited January 25, 2006 by Tim/Trialsin USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh B Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 honestly?i have snapped TWO echo ones, the one with the holes in and the one without!!joE!Me two me echo one just snapped in about piecesWhen are these cogs out i need one asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 We considered putting two flats on collar so that a tool similar looking to pedal wrench could be used. But to be honest, we didn't see the point. Creating special tools to get the thing off seemed to be a bit much. Why create new tools that people have to buy if it will not speed the job up?Tim/Plazmatic you dont need to make special tools, you could have just put a freewheel remover compatible spline, thats what people want. the point would have been the fact that your cog would be the only one that was easy(er) to get off. pretty good selling point in my oppinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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