Walleee Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Since im considering buying an 'old' (2002) bike, people have been telling me that its better to get a newer frame as the recent changes in geometry will mean an old bike will hold me back.Im looking at Mod's in particular, I used to ride stock if it makes any differance. And im not a fan of long, low and silver, regardless of mod or stock. Infact, there are very few new frames which I actually do like. Im looking at a monty x-hydra in particular, at the time I rode I regarded them as the shit while not being too expensive.Just wondering has the geometry of monty's changed much in 3 years? Im told the x=hydra is an x=lite, just in steel so I think the geometry might be about the same....If it has, how is that going to relate to my riding, what sort of things are going to be easier on a new bike rather than an older one? and whats the most likely thing to hold me back about an older bike?Jake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I can't see how it should hold you back much if at all personally.OK, so geometry is always being tweaked to be 'better' (usually specific to the rider designing/aiding the frame) but think about it - 2/3 years of tweaks isn't usually a lot of change on the whole so you should be fine mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I can recomend my x-lite 03. I absolutly LOVED it (until the chain stay snapped) and to think the geometry has got even better?! I know someone who has an 05 xlite and its really nice, except hes got an awful set up which I desipse. The 05 xlite AND the 03 xlite still have my recommendation though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I can't see how it should hold you back much if at all personally.OK, so geometry is always being tweaked to be 'better' (usually specific to the rider designing/aiding the frame) but think about it - 2/3 years of tweaks isn't usually a lot of change on the whole so you should be fine mate.Enjoy whatever you get,LukeYeh, the way I see it, its not like a change in geometry allows one to bunny hop a foot higher, perhaps it'll hold me back a few inches or something, but then, im not riding to compensate for a small penis.....Im doing it for enjoyment, to be honest I dont think i'd enjoy half the new bikes avaliable.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Ive got a monty x-hydra, not sure which year, Micheal Hardman will know.Anyway its not completly built, but I had a wee bounce about on it (nothing much) and its really light generally and especially on the back.I really like it, although I dont have much to compare it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Ive got a monty x-hydra, not sure which year, Micheal Hardman will know.Anyway its not completly built, but I had a wee bounce about on it (nothing much) and its really light generally and especially on the back.I really like it, although I dont have much to compare it to.Any pictures of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 All these new frames do have better geo which in in practise will help improve your riding, what frame is it you said your getting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Any pictures of it?Gone all dark now, I will get you a pic tomorrow hopefully, if im on the computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 All these new frames do have better geo which in in practise will help improve your riding, what frame is it you said your getting?An '02 x-hydra. It's just WHAT is differant about their geometry that makes them better, keeping in mind, that im not a world champion and im not going to be going big for a while.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 With mods its not too much of a difference, its more stock based thats when the problems kick in, but with an older mod like that itll be fine, chai used to ride one and he did dam good on his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly C Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 With mods its not too much of a difference, its more stock based thats when the problems kick in, but with an older mod like that itll be fine, chai used to ride one and he did dam good on his.Nah thats not true, There is a big difference in Mods too.I used to ride a Da Bomb mod (Old T-Bird style one) then Megamo>T-Bone>T-Pro>Python>Echo TeamThere are big differences, but they dont hold you back, depending on what you want to do riding wise each will have there advantages and disadvantages.Riding older bikes will most likely mean having a shorter frame, these can be good for a range of things but some of the newer style trials moves do benifit from more recent frames.The older few DaBomb>Megamo>T-Bone all were short and were great for bunnyhopping, pulling up, spins, but they werent as stable on the rear or as nice gapping to front wheel etc. The longer frames will be better for like up's to front wheel and stuff as theres more wheelbase to pivot maybe, but with the extra lenght its usually harder to pull up.If you dont like long,low and silver frames due to the feel then you probably dont like the way they ride either, therefore and older bike should do you just fine and would probably aid the kind of riding you wish to do.Montys and stuff are great for that kind of thing Olly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josephine Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I think I rode one of those for a while... old steel monty frame anyway, it was a beyond battered and I borrowed it off a friend just to ride on, to be honest I spent the next few months searching for another one. Rode awesomely, my favourite mod ever. Currently got an X-Hydra, it's one of the slightly newer Alu ones, but the geometery is still very nice. Cheap compared to the long low and silver club, too Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 a bike will hold you back if you "think" it will hold you back. its all in your mind buddy. longer bikes help with some things and dont help with other things. to be honest its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.Waynio....................Majority of it is in your mind though. if you think something will hold you back then it will hold you back. if you think you can do something on it, you will reap the rewards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted December 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Sweet, I had thought much the same really, just other local riders had warned me off getting an older bike.Much appreciated guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Watched a trials vid from years ago they were all in tight lycra stuff but they were riding emence! just goes to show that equiptment only can ever make a certain ammount of difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Onza T-raptors and the old T-Rexs are crap though. I don't know anyone who prefers a T-raptor to, say, an Echo control. Fair enough some older bikes are nice, but there have been loads of improvements in trials frames even in the last year. Like Wayne said a lot of it is psychological, but then again some old frames are just not very good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nafan Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 I prefer newer bikes basically because it is easier, I moved from my barracuda subway from about 1997 to my 05 pitbull and its loovely, but it all depends on whether you want a practical bike aswell as how comfy it is to ride, just do what YOU want, don't listen to anyone else (unless they've got a good idea) Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 In my opinion there it doesnt matter so much about the changes in mods than stocks. An 02 monty hasnt really changed THAT much in geometry, and I'm sure they would be awesome fun to ride.I just think that if you were buying a stock, a stock from 02 would have a really low BB, and things like that which personally I found to hinder me (maybe because I'm not that tall, so every cm of extra cockpit space/room to move around the tyres really makes a difference, hence why I like BB rise), although to be honest even some of those I bet would be great fun to ride, like a pace trials bike. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm paceeeeee *begins to dribble* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb88 Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 I prefered my '03 x-lite to my python anyday, shame it cained my back though. Montys are just friggin awesome bikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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