joker Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 hmm the stig is an ex f1 driver so im sure he could handle most cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haydon_peter Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Could also be for insurance purposes? If the Stig binned it into a tyre-wall or somehow managed to crash it into something, that's essentially £5m down the drain, isn't it? Even so, I reckon it'd probably be the fastest on there. Sounds like it had dialled handling and stopping power, and a pretty rippin' engine, so I don't see how it couldn't be the fastest...Letting Clarkson drive it from Italy to London in a 'race' on open roads is more risky than letting someone drive it around an empty track... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_soon_to_be Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 hmm the stig is an ex f1 driver so im sure he could handle most carsi think the bugatti has abit more power than the F1 boys, gaz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Letting Clarkson drive it from Italy to London in a 'race' on open roads is more risky than letting someone drive it around an empty track... Although Clarkson was just speeding at times (e.g. on the motorway), which they'd probably expect to have happen? I'm guessing he was probably going at pace on non-motorways too, but the large majority of that race was just open motorway, so I guess it's not massively dangerous? Not compared to a tight track, where the whole purpose is to go as fast as possible in a fairly demanding scenario?Bit gutting they didn't give it to the Stig though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 i think the bugatti has abit more power than the F1 boys, gaz... i wouldnt have thought so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 i wouldnt have thought so F1 cars are limited to 2litres I think, which is good for about 800bhp, and that is very finely tuned. Whereas the Veyron has an 8 litre engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 i wouldnt have thought so No, really, they are. Nigel Mansell even said he wouldn't want to take one on in a straight line in his Masters GP series car, plus they do produce more power than an F1 car. Top speed's higher too.I wonder what the acceleration would be like in comparison though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 f**k!!!!MY!!!ARSE!!!! i doubt that it'd take an f1 in acceleration though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todge Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 It may be fast, but isnt exactly one of the nicest looking cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 It may be fast, but isnt exactly one of the nicest looking cars.Take that back, it's beautiful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-RoBBo- Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I bet in a month or so, they will get the car back for an episode to let the Stig go round the track. Just enevitable really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-man Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 It may be fast, but isnt exactly one of the nicest looking cars. Ditto, looks ugly as fook. Isn't the most practical car either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_soon_to_be Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 what, that car is actually sexual, leave it alone, it has feeling to..gaz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexx Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 i think the bugatti has abit more power than the F1 boys, gaz...not really, F1 cars push around the same horsepower as the veyron, the 2005 honda bar F1 pushes 940bhp (19,000 RPM) yet is only 3 letres, and weighs just 1300lb, compared to the veyron at 1000 horsepower (6,000 RPM), 8 letre, and 3520lb...It's true that an F1 car couldn't beat the veyron on a straight drag, but it would own it on a track, with far less than half the engine size...I think clarkson really over-hyped the veyron, after all F1 cars push almost the same power out much more advanced engines - true they only have to last a race, not years... but i don't belive the veyron is the 'height' of what cars will produce. I've seen guys who have build their own W16 engines in novas and gotten stupid 2.9 second 0-60 times and stuff, in their own garage at home.Plus Ferrari spent something like £24 million on producing their two F1 track cars in 2005, in reality it's all penuts to these companies, it's not even real money it's all just ballanced off acounts and shares and stocks and the bank.Don't get me wrong, it's a damn special car... but not what top gear made it out to be. I've read reviews that slate it on track performance, simply because it can't use it's power effectively, it just is too heavy and powerfull to truely be able to take corners...Looks the sex though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Papasnap Maher Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Why is everyone even comapring it to an f1 car.Since when where they road legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Campbell Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 It's a beautiful car. It really is an engineering masterpiece.The F1 car debate. I think it has the same or better acceleration up to the F1 cars limit but 0-60 I suspect it would be a half second or so off pace. Unfortunatly any hint of a corner and by comparison to an F1 car it might as well be a fiesta.The whole 1000bhp issue is strange. As Derf said it has 1001ps and so 987bhp. Thing is all engines have a tollerance level. In a 1.4l polo this is almost nothing. In an 8.0l quad turbo the possible differences can be + - around 50BHP thats a whole small car. What Bugatti did is make all the engines minimum possible output 987ps this means you can possible get one with 1037Bhp which is rather cool.Also I agree with most of what Alexx said weight issues and stuff ruin track performance. Aparently its extremely easy to drive though for a car like that.Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomR Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Does the £5 million not include developement costs?And compare 1000bhp from an 8 litre with around 6 or 700bhp form a ford escort cossie - which do you thinks more of an acheivement? you could say 'woahhh that car does 700 mph' but if its got a jet engine stuck on the back then its no surprise is can go that fast. Sure its a f**king great piece of work, and its f**king quick.. but compare it with some other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexx Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Why is everyone even comapring it to an f1 car.Since when where they road legal You can never own, nor drive an F1 carYou can never own, nor drive a VeyronTherefor, I think it's a fair comparison. F1 cars aren't actually that far off being road legal btw, all you'd need to change would be the exhaust system, and the tyres and it'd be able to be road legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 hmm the stig is an ex f1 driver so im sure he could handle most carshe isnt actually, he used to race in a german porsche racing champianship apparently, hes definatly not f1 though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 You can never own, nor drive an F1 carYou can never own, nor drive a VeyronTherefor, I think it's a fair comparison. F1 cars aren't actually that far off being road legal btw, all you'd need to change would be the exhaust system, and the tyres and it'd be able to be road legal Lights, indicators, number plates?However, the main thing is that the Bugatti is made to live on the road too. You could drive the Bugatti from Italy to London (oh look, someone did) with relatively little discomfort, yet try doing the same in a Ferrari. Not only would the car possibly not last that long - in that parts aren't made to last "15-20 years" (e.g. the gear box, like the designer said?) - but it would be proper uncomfortable. It's still not a fair comparison. The Bugatti can take two people in comfort, with a full dashboard, interior, etc., and shitloads of other stuff the F1 car doesn't have. The F1 car is purely designed to race around tracks, whereas the Bugatti is designed to be fast and comfortable. It just doesn't compare, really...Oh - and to the "And compare 1000bhp from an 8 litre with around 6 or 700bhp form a ford escort cossie - which do you thinks more of an acheivement?" - the fact that the Bugatti appears to have great handling and great brakes and is therefore a good car means that it's still better than a car that's of a lower standard that just has a big engine bolted in.It's more about the speed it can achieve anyway though - the Escort's still not designed as incredibly well as the Veyron (think about the way the car changes shape to go faster, etc.), so the Veyron's still more of a design achievement because it's a more complete package, not just a standard chassis with a massive engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexx Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Points taken,but the point i was trying to make more than comparison was that i wouldn't exactly group it with concorde, and the spaceship like clarkson did... they ARE unique and feats of engineering, the veyron, at the end of the day is just a nice car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Points taken,but the point i was trying to make more than comparison was that i wouldn't exactly group it with concorde, and the spaceship like clarkson did... they ARE unique and feats of engineering, the veyron, at the end of the day is just a nice car.Surely then cant you argue that concorde is just a really nice plane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiltop Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 (edited) you cant compare a bugatti and an F1 car they are designed for totally different things. its like comparing a bike designed for the road and a mountain bike. granted both are designed to go as fast as be it humanly possible, but they have different limiting factors. the conditions put on a mountain bike mean it will never be as quick. An F1 car has far superior aerodynamics suspension etc set specifically for each test track. to make a car that come even half as quick as it, that you can use on the road, any weather, any time and expect to last for 20 years is a masterpeice. F1 tyres last for 70 miles! these are designed to do far more than that. crapping that much engineereing into a road going car is unbelievable. it has 4 turbo's and 10 radiators! as well as this it is designed to take two adults comfortably round. not some F1 driver wedged in lying flat on his arse. in my mind it is a hell of an achievement. i much prefer i company lose 100 million on producing a car like this that pushes the boundaries of road cars than waste hundreds of millions on F1. after all these companys make so much money they really dont have to worry about it.dont forget this car has passed the same vw tests as your average vw golf!whether it is a in the same group as concorde etc i guess will depend on what follows it?? Edited December 12, 2005 by Hiltop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexx Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Surely then cant you argue that concorde is just a really nice plane?If you want to, feel free... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric_echo Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 might already have been said but 300 are going to be made, they have built it to prove that it can be done plus there isnt anything else on the road like it. www.exoticspotter.com, some pics of them on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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