Ben Geary Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Alright then i've just gone out and brought a new odyssey linear slick cable for my rear v, I'm running avid ultimate arms, XTR lever and heatsink pads. I've just fitted all the cable on etc etc and it's got quite a slow return, I don't know whats going on really, I've set it up really good, I've lubbed the inner cable well and it's still got a slow return. Every thing is all tight, The arms are perfectly set up the pads are hitting the rim dead on. Am i doing some thing wrong :) or missed some thing :o. Thanks for any help. Ben (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shovel Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 with v mounts theres usually a choice of three holes for the spring bit to go in, put it in the next one up and that will give you more tension in the arms and make the brake better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 With what did you lube the cable? Give the cable/housing some time to break in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Balls Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 or give the arm springs a quick tighten up with a wee allen key... they are pretty damn simple...so jus' fiddle a bit. adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich4130 Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Check that the cable is in the lever correctly, no rubbing etc. Also make sure that the noodle has the inner pipe inside, and that it is conencted properly. And that the pads are not catching on there return on the tyre. That the cable isn't fraid inside the outer, easily done. Make sure that the lever pull is adjusted all the way towards the front. No sharp kinks in the cable, inner and outer. Incorrectly adjusted spings? doubt that would make it slow though. Really all I can think of mate, try all those and It should be good (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shovel Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 before you lubed the cable did you give the outer a good blast with gt-85, helps a lot to clean out any crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Geary Posted December 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 I lubed it with WD-40 and grease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-A Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Get rid of the wd40 and grease, and just use GT85, will return much smoother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 grease is you problem, never use grease on cables, it gets old and turns sticky and basically makes the brake feel wank :) catch you on msn dude, im sure i can help you out more if there are any problems (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Geary Posted December 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 (edited) Will loads of WD work just as good as GT85. Edited December 6, 2005 by Gears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 (edited) you can use grease on the cables just make sure that you wipe any grease off the the cable that is exposed as not to drag more crap into the cable outers. oh and make sure that its fine grease, not thick white grease tat you can get, i use to use pace fork grease, if you can still get it? just sounds like you need to give it a good clean out. when was the last time you replaced your inner and outer cables? if a clean up and re tension doesnt work, new cables are the way forward. craig Edited December 7, 2005 by curly_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skandy32 Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Will loads of WD work just as good as GT85. It will work almost as well i think, just not as for long. Which means the wd40 will turn shitty and black and will need replacing often. GT85 will make it manetence free(ish). Sounds like the returning slowness you've described could be one of a few things, some of which people have said, but i'll cast my views: - - the ends of the outer cables - what did you cut them with? a proper cable cutter? if not, you may have given them an egg shape and therefore will cause loots of friction on the inner cable. -is it one long outer? or bits of outer? the bits will mean the above idea is more likely - so check all starts and stops of outer cable.... - inner cable too 'thick'? i found when mixing manufacturers some inner cables were simply too thick for the outers, not really allowing enough room for smooth easy movement. So now i tend to just buy cable kits - that are made to fit together, e.g. avid flakjacket kit. - the grease does indeed sound like a problem - it will gunge up your cable and inside of the outers, may even have to get new ones if you've put too much in. - the tension on the brake arms - make the spring / tension in the brake arms more = lever will retract much quicker - kinky cable? is the only other suggestion i have.... is there anywhere where the cable mite be also kinked or round a tight corner? this too will cause lots of friction. Are you using one of those '90degree silver bits' that is at the brake end of the equation? is the inside of that friction free? once, i bent that a bit more than 90 degrees to fit it a bit snugger into the frame, if you do that, it will make it harder for the cable to move. think thats all If you like - you could disemble the entire settup and rebuiid it from scratch 'testing' each part of the cable on the way.... eg. put the cable in the outer and pull with your hands each way - does it move freely? it should almost fall out with gravity to bee super smooth. Then when you put the connectory ends on the outer.... does it increase friction? Maybe this way you can find the problem........ think that IS all :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shovel Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 gt-85 is better than wd40 as it contains teflon so id does actually have some lubricating properties, best thing to do is blast out the cable with gt-85 and then put a few drops of wet xc lube, the type you use on your chain, this helps to lubricate it but is far thinner than grease :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 grease is a bad idea full stop. skandys description was pretty good, and with what he said, you cant go that wrong i suggest getting the outer cut properly with decent cable cutters(i use park ones and they seem to do the job ok-not as good as i expected though) and making sure when you clean out the outer, that you dont get any crap on the inner(thoroughly clean it before reinstalling it) what degree noodle have you got(the silver bit) i found too tight an angle made my brake feel a wee bit worse-i have some flexible noodles at home, maybe you could try 1 of them out ben? also, make sure the cartridge bearings in the ultimate are still ok-george hadnt used that bike in a fair while, so they may have got a bit seized (unlikely though) personally i would suggest buying another linear slick, installing it properly, with oil and that, then reusing the previuos linear on the front :) cos there should be plenty of grease free outer left over :) another thing-are you running the cable clamp(on the v arm) on the right or the left? i find on the right makes a bit of difference due to the bases hose guide positioning-but i think george already did that on your bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Geary Posted December 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 (edited) Yeah i've got a feeling it's the noodle, Could i pinch one of them flexy ones please paul :) :) Edit: yeah the noodle is on the right Edited December 7, 2005 by Gears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Balls Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 (edited) wd40 uses a similar chemical to teflon (carbon based)..'cept it's silicon based i think. It's pretty good actually...i can't tell the difference to gt85 when used. adam Edited December 7, 2005 by ad101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Its deffinatly the cable. It was fine when I had it. I tried countless noodles...and found the one thats on there at the moment to be the best...although these flexable ones will no doubt be an improvement. Grease is a bad idea. Its too thick. I filled the outers with finishline wet xc chain lube; I held them upright, and pured it through until it ran out of the bottom. Nice and slippery, and smells like lemon too :P I then held the inners up, and sprayed them with wd-40. Copy the way it was set up before exactly. You won't get it any better...trust me, I spent many an hour perfecting it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 george i got perfection on my first attempt :P the flexy noodles really work, they bend at the correct angle for whatever length cable you run and adjust for the position of the brake arm-i ran them on the curtis if you remember? o and ben, if you want i have some spare (well quite a few...) new tubs of teflon based weldtite oil, ill send you some with the noodle if you need any.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Geary Posted December 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 george i got perfection on my first attempt :P the flexy noodles really work, they bend at the correct angle for whatever length cable you run and adjust for the position of the brake arm-i ran them on the curtis if you remember? o and ben, if you want i have some spare (well quite a few...) new tubs of teflon based weldtite oil, ill send you some with the noodle if you need any.... Yeah thanks paul matey :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 where can i get these flexi noodles from? :P and don't say my kitchen cupboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 hahaha, ill get in contact with my 'supplier' and see if they can get more in for you :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Those flexi noodles are awful! I can get you one if you want one though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_seamons Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 george i got perfection on my first attempt :P Ah! But how do you know it was perfection if you had nothing to compare it to?! Well?! Well?! HA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 ha ha ive used your brake before george :o since i got the linear slicks, all my vs have been smooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooth :P and work mint :P trialsboy: what did you find wrong with the flexy noodles? i used 1 for a brief period on my old curtis(cos it wouldnt setup right) and it was great ^_^ but when i changed frame i put a normal noodle on cos it was the correct angle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I've found that they make the brake feel really spongy because is flex' when pulled. This is on raleighs at work though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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