Concussion Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Here is a list of hub questions bothering me at the moment, here goes. 1. I was just about to get a new Hope Mono rear hub, but then started reading about springs and pawls breaking and `needs to be serviced on a regular basis! Oil every few weeks, maybe....three month services, forget it!! £80 for that kinda hassle just does not seem right to me. Do I have bad info on this/ am I being a bit harsh? 2. Just reading about the DMR rear hub http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=6243 it looks good to me, I like the price....anyone got more info on this hub? 3. On my dirt bike I have Atomlab Hubs with disk mounts. As I'm thinking of putting a disk on the front of my trials bike, and my rear hub/freewheel is knackered....would it be worth swapping everything over to my trials bike...I know nothing about Atomlab engadgements/reliability?? 4. While explaining my knackered freehub prob to guy in LBS, he says `why not try an XT-freehub` £35, much stronger blah, blah......I was aware shitmano only did £12 crappy freehubs...I'm confused? Since getting in to trials I have been VERY dissapointed with hubs for this sport....what gives? Yeah we can get to the moon, but we can't develop the perfect trials hub?? Hope you can help me guys, the bitterness is setting in. Thankx :lol: (PS: I need gears!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 how much money have you got to spend? if you have loads of money to spend why not by a chris king? and hope hubs are very good for the money, they odnt need serviceing that often and if it goes completely tits up then you can use the wonderful hope warrenty and they will saught it out for you, shitmano hubs are awful dont even think of usingthem to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Mono's are very reliable, mine works for a year at a time between rebuilds, and it took nearly three years to kill the freehub completely. Get one, fill it up with oil, give it some time to wear in properly, then forget about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted December 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Oh` No, thats made things worse. (N) Is that really the best this sport has to offer us riders? If I had the money I wouldn't even buy a King as I read bad comments about them also! £285+ still with probs....HA,HA forget that! :S I've just got into trials and can't believe I don't hear more experienced riders pushing for a perfect hub. "Buy a Hope and send it back in a year...its great" :S >_< :huh: I don't mean to sound ungrateful for the advice, its just I'm really mad about this......but I'm not quite sure who I'm mad with. ^_^ I dunno ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 what are you on about? dave merely said service it once a year-rebuilding them is a 10min job-its so easy generally the reasons why peoples hubs dont work right is down to poor maintenenca/not breaking them in properly, etc-then they whinge cos they are retards and cant do it properly get a mono if you on a budget-the springs and pawls done tend to break-its usually the ratchet, but you have to be a right harsh b*****d to break them ive found, however much abuse ive given my bulbs and xcs, they havent failed on me yet otherwise an eno on a revolver is a bloody good choice-its a far better choice than a king i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 I think you're expecting a little too much from a bike trial component. One year for a hub is damn good, and thats about below average. I know for a fact Lee had his for 3 years, and didn't touch it once, and i know of countless other hope rear hubs that are still going after not much looking after at all. If it f**ks up, send it back to hope, and they'll fix it, mostly free of charge. I've also found chris kings only skip when doing casual stuff. Riding to and from spots, when there isn't much pressure on the drive. Any other time, if the hub is looked after properly, it doesn't skip at all, if ever. Given, there will be some bad hubs, and some bad owners, but thats to be expected. Buy a shitmano, and replace it every month, out of your own pocket, buy a hope, service it, replace it every year or two, and get it fixed for free. As for pushing for a new hub, hope claim there new trials specific hub will be ready for last week (:huh:), but its going to be a bit pricy at ~£120, so maybe you want to wait for that and see if that fits your fit and forget line of thought. ^_^ Just get a mono. >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urpedigreechumdog Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Yeah a mono will be fine, you don't even need to service it that often (every 4 months or so, every month if you want to run WD40 / GT85 in it), and they're easy to do. I had no problems with my mono at all. However i have recently upgraded to a King Classic with steel driveshell, HD axle, fun bolts and trials spring (sorry, had to brag >_< ) And i can tell the difference, can't tell enough difference to justify the price i paid though lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted December 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I guess I was/am expecting to much, still a little dissapointed but if thats the best there is for the price range, well....tuff on me I suppose! In the end I'll prob get the Hope, just thought I'd be excited about putting this product on my bike is all! >_< Thanks for `bearing` with me on this... :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shovel Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 deffinately don't get a shimano, they're crap for trials and will fail over and over. . . . if you don't fancy the price of a king then a hope should be fine as a lot of trials riders use them and the customer service from hope is very good as with any other component on a bike the hub will need to be maintained, regular servicing after every few months if your using the bike a lot, it's not really a hassle as it helps to prolong the life of the hub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevecoust Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Here is a list of hub questions bothering me at the moment, here goes. 1. I was just about to get a new Hope Mono rear hub, but then started reading about springs and pawls breaking and `needs to be serviced on a regular basis! Oil every few weeks, maybe....three month services, forget it!! £80 for that kinda hassle just does not seem right to me. Do I have bad info on this/ am I being a bit harsh? 2. Just reading about the DMR rear hub http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=6243 it looks good to me, I like the price....anyone got more info on this hub? 3. On my dirt bike I have Atomlab Hubs with disk mounts. As I'm thinking of putting a disk on the front of my trials bike, and my rear hub/freewheel is knackered....would it be worth swapping everything over to my trials bike...I know nothing about Atomlab engadgements/reliability?? 4. While explaining my knackered freehub prob to guy in LBS, he says `why not try an XT-freehub` £35, much stronger blah, blah......I was aware shitmano only did £12 crappy freehubs...I'm confused? Since getting in to trials I have been VERY dissapointed with hubs for this sport....what gives? Yeah we can get to the moon, but we can't develop the perfect trials hub?? Hope you can help me guys, the bitterness is setting in. Thankx :o (PS: I need gears!) (Y) hope hubs are ace and do not break :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oli007 Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Yep i also give a big thumbs up to the last guys comment on hope hubs. i bought Akriggs old hope mono hub off him well over a year ago, i had never serviced it while i had it, sold it recently to another guy and its still going strong. If thats not a testament to a good strong hub then i dont know what is (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 We can push for a perfect hub as much as we like, it isnt going to happen anytime soon. The biketrial bike is less than 20 years in development, go and look at anything else that handles this much abuse and you'll find its taken far more time, effort and money to perfect it. Really, ten minutes pulling a hub apart isnt a problem, if it is i'd go and take up fell running or knitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Really, ten minutes pulling a hub apart isnt a problem, if it is i'll do it for you free of charge as im a really nice guy. cripes edd, you really are the meaning of kindness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street trials rider Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 there is actually only a few hubs worth a loko at depending on your price range and set up.... Gears: - Hope Mono.... excellent backup service form hope, break it, they 99.999999% of the time fix it for free - Chris King classic.... you say you've herad bad things about them... where? yes they are expensive, and you do need to wear them in a little (some good long rides with lots of rolling about usually sorts that) i cant fault my king, as i'm sure alot of other people on the forums will say Gears + disk - Hope XC.... same as above - Chris King ISO.... same as above Single speed - DMR Revolver.... nice and cheap, yet good build and good strength (engagement depends on choice of freewheel) - Chris King SS... heavy duty axle + bolts, usually comes with the sprocket aswell - Profile... nice build quality, cheaper than a king (not sure about the back-up from profile though) SS + Disk (same as above) i know it looks like all i'm' trying to do is promote CK hubs, but seriously, if you use one, you wont like any other hub after you get used to how imense the engagement is... i get on a bike with a profile hub, and even that feels a bit slow to engage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 get yourself the new 6spd hope trials hub (when its out) puuurfect I recken, rode one at the weekend (well, just the normal 9spd virsion) and I liked it, hopfully I will be getting one, I will then sell one of my kings (which are also excellent, had one for 5 years with little done to it!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted December 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Fair play on the comments guys, everyone seems to like Hopes a lot. I guess I was being a bit `I want` in my expectations! So I'm going for the Hope mono in a few days, my freehub ain't quite dead yet, so I'm gonna have a quick shifty before the wheel build happens. Any quick tips on keeping it running well, modifications, lube choice? Diagrams would be ace! :) (I have the hope site one) Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street trials rider Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 (edited) no major tips except if it gets extreamly flithy, or grity, then give it a quick simple service, the seals in the hub are very good, so less maintenence (sp) Edited December 6, 2005 by street trials rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted December 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I found this page today explaining a Hope XC rear hub service, pics and good instructions! Check it out here: http://www.mountainbikerides.co.uk/fettling/hope_hub.htm Thanks again for the advice :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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