nafan Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 I've searched and searched the forum for advise on pedalling up, but there isn't any general advise on it. I have looked around all the how-to's o all the sites but it doesn't really help... I've nailed the basic move, but I'm struggling a lot. I have been able to hop up a 1 foot wall and there's one slighly bigger and I just can't do it :S I run an 18-18 ratio, do I need to change it? Is there any advise to help me in general? Is it just a case of practise-practise-practise? Thanks a lot, please help :- (N) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 I'm pretty sure that the usual ratio is 18:16. You may be having trouble spinning out before getting the right kick with that ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 I run an 18-18 ratio, do I need to change it? Yes. You want at least 18:16 or 18:15. Maybe 18:14. My advice would be to try and learn how to bunny hop. If you can bunny hop to backwheel then you can pedal up no problem, but there are bad habits you can get into with pedal-ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nafan Posted December 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 I can bunnyhop... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMunn Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 If you have the basic move down then its just a case of improving on that, practice makes perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 The gearing won't affect you at this height. You shouldn't be relying on the stiffness of your gear. Especially for something as low 1ft. Dave Lowe runs 20 front 21 rear - that's LOWER than a 1:1 ratio! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Yes. You want at least 18:16 or 18:15. Maybe 18:14. Why not 18:12 then he can get used to it. I actaully had a temporal brain loss for a second as I thought that my 18:12 setup was wrong Someone tell me it isn't please before my brain melts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 18:12 = correct :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Elding Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 18:12 = correct :lol: for mod. this guy rides a stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urpedigreechumdog Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Gearing does make a difference! Start running 18:15 ASAP or you'll find progressing to be very hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nafan Posted December 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Cheers lads, I'll try my 16 tooth at the rear and see how I go, then I'll swop back or to a 15/14 depending how it is... I did feel like I was pedallin too fast to be able to physically do it but I dunno... Cheers anyway guys :huh: ^_^ Any other hints would be great >_< (N) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I don'tk now HOW you guys ride with such stiff gears. Seriously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I don'tk now HOW you guys ride with such stiff gears. Seriously! what do you run then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 what do you run then? At the moment 20 at the front, 19 at the back. I'm probably going to move to 20:20 when I can afford to. I find that with the stiffer gears, it makes rolling gaps easier, but everything else becomes harder work and needs more of a run up etc. At the moment 20 at the front, 19 at the back. I'm probably going to move to 20:20 when I can afford to. I find that with the stiffer gears, it makes rolling gaps easier, but everything else becomes harder work and needs more of a run up etc. And that was with my brief excursion with 22/19. The gears you're talking about are even stiffer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 eh how can you ride with 1:1 gearing, its awful, theres no power, gaps are crap taps are too slow pedal gaps are nearly impossible, get a proper gear like 22 19/18 or 18 16/15 you will be a better rider because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I've not had any problems really. Both Craig (ex mad) and Dave are running lower gearings than me and can gap bigger than I can. I tap to back wheel and not had a problem. I can pedal up it too if necessary. I just don't think you should rely on the pedal. If you are doing stuff from static, you are basically just doing two footed jump, just with a bike between your legs. Adding a stiff gear for static stuff just makes it harder work for you. Perhaps it's a riding style difference? I tried 22/19 and hated it. Everything I did I basically had to get a bigger runner up in order to do. A lot more energy behind it, a lot more puncture possibilites. And I tore the tendon in my foot in the process >_< It did have it's upsides mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josephine Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I can bunnyhop... :huh: Just to clarify, does this mean you can bunnyhop to backwheel? 'Cause that's what Tomm meant. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I don'tk now HOW you guys ride with such stiff gears. Seriously! Cos Im big and strong... :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nafan Posted December 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Just to clarify, does this mean you can bunnyhop to backwheel? 'Cause that's what Tomm meant. Joe Well no because I can't pull my front end up high enough (don't know why) but I did learn to do sort of a tap bunnyhop up, it's scary though... :o I think I'll just run my 16 at the back and if its still too low but it IS easier then I'll get a 15/14 Thanks very much for the help guys, is there anything about technique that I could improve on? I normally just do a 3/4 pedal and get up, I found that when I moved onto the slightly bigger wall yesterday, I had to throw myself up and over to get up instead of just hopping up... Do I need to throw myself up a lot or do I need to bring the bike underneath me? Cheers, Nathan (Y) :o I also woudn't mind being able to bunnyhop to back wheel, but I can't pull off the back, I don't know whether it's my stem or something because I'm really struggling with it... Any advice? Cheers, Nathan :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 (edited) I've not had any problems really. Both Craig (ex mad) and Dave are running lower gearings than me and can gap bigger than I can. I tap to back wheel and not had a problem. I can pedal up it too if necessary. I just don't think you should rely on the pedal. If you are doing stuff from static, you are basically just doing two footed jump, just with a bike between your legs. Adding a stiff gear for static stuff just makes it harder work for you. Perhaps it's a riding style difference? I tried 22/19 and hated it. Everything I did I basically had to get a bigger runner up in order to do. A lot more energy behind it, a lot more puncture possibilites. And I tore the tendon in my foot in the process (Y) It did have it's upsides mind you. do you not have any leg muscle or what? 1:1 gearing is awful try running a gear that people suggest or work on strength in your elgs or something Edited December 6, 2005 by ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 No, I have plenty of leg muscle, I do a fair amount of road riding. It's that I can't ride with the stiffer gears, it just seems so cumbersome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 There is a difference in the muscles though from road -> trials riding. You need more explosive power for trials, whereas from my experience of road riding you develop more just outright strength as opposed to explosive strength... Either way, I don't get how the hell you can use 1:1. I was running a super spinny ratio at one stage and it just felt like shit. I suppose the way I back wheel stuff is a bit more power-based, but there we go. As a quick side note too, if you look at the people with the best technique in the world, on stocks they're usually running 18:15/16:14 or similar (that ratio, anyway). Might be something in it :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I don't think ratios really matter that much to be honest. You'll get used to whatever gear you're using. If you are using an "easier" gear, you have to move the pedals further to go anywhere, so you are using the same amount of energy anyway (Energy = Force x Distance). Just use what you like :) Nafan I was giving you some advice. Learn to bunny hop to back wheel and you'll be set. If you can't get the front up enough, practise on curbs. It's just a case of getting used to pulling the front up more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 There is a difference in the muscles though from road -> trials riding. You need more explosive power for trials, whereas from my experience of road riding you develop more just outright strength as opposed to explosive strength... Either way, I don't get how the hell you can use 1:1. I was running a super spinny ratio at one stage and it just felt like shit. I suppose the way I back wheel stuff is a bit more power-based, but there we go. As a quick side note too, if you look at the people with the best technique in the world, on stocks they're usually running 18:15/16:14 or similar (that ratio, anyway). Might be something in it :) i agrre with mark hiere but, i road cycle and road race etc from riding my bike i have found that the stregth in my legs has greatly improved which i am able to transform into explosive strength. this maybe because im a sprinter and a hill climber. but you should honestly try the gear ratio people recomend. you will thank us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 As I said, I tried 22/19 and really didn't like it. I'm using 20/19 at the moment and I'm tempted to give 20/18 a go, but not much stiffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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