Racial Hypersensitivity

[Caleb]

I'll tell you what, the asians are much more racist than us whites under a lot of circumstances.

try working in blackburn, or Bradistan you'll soon find out.

They are a lot closer to each other and stick together, they get away with too f**king much it really angers me!

for example 1 asian lad at my college is proud to show people the Ken Bigley video on his phone and laughs about it.

then again , a lot of the lads in my class pretty much bully him but imo he deserves it and if he doesnt like it can go back to kuwait.

what it all boils down to is the government wantiing to let as many people in as possible so they can pay them much worse wages than the people already over here, who's ancestors thought hard for this country to stop this exact thing happening.

Why is it in Iraq they'll happily kidnap English and whites just for been over there, but over here we tried anything like that and wed be imprisoned or even for supporting it.

Seems in my books the pproblems lays with asian, asylum seekers, i have no problem with blacks for the reason they usually have no problems with me.

If anything Blacks round here get treated ith a LOT more respect just for their colour of their skin .

Call me racist if you need but their my opinions, may not all be true but a lot of them are, i dont bullshit to myself to let my self believe something i see it happening and believe it.

Also there seems to be a lot more crime involoving asiands in the papersd now.

onlly last week a young girl my age was abducted and brutally raped by 4 of the fu-cking monsters for 4 hours leaving her scarred for life !

i hope they all get improsoned and have a nasty soap picking life in prison !

[yoyoyo]

I think it all makes people more racist, because if you have to be careful what you are allowed to say it makes you hate them more because you have to take extra care and it's all their fault, so you get annoyed

[N.Wood]

I don't like it when West Indians kiss their teeth at white people, then when you happen to kiss your teeth back ( :lol: ), they have a go for being racist.

Also, when people pull out the 'race card' - i.e saying 'just 'cos i'm black, you tell me to f**k off' or whatever, when it was clearly just because they were doing something wrong.

And of all the times i've had problems with people (bike robbery, can throwing, muggings, threats etc), they have ALL been from black people.

But then i don't have a problem with most Indians as they tend to keep themselves to themselves a bit more (where i live anyways).

Apart from when they call me when i'm having dinner :lol: , bastards.

[Tony Harrison]

I think it was funny when Kanye West said 'I hate it when white people try and be black, by using black phrases, and wearing black style clothing'.

Yeah, whatever. Why is he trying to be a white man by driving a car and having money? I mean, they're white inventions aren't they?

[downhill_rob2@hotmail.com]

Have you not noticed, the black community (mainly in the USA) all act like they are f**king still 15! but when they are actually 30 n stuff?

Im not too bothered about blacks and asians, parcially because in carlisle, there isnt any/many, not that i see of anyways.

I was in school today, in our social area at dinner, and a little lad just came up to me and said, " do you like pakis, i said no (because i dont [i dont have a reason, so dont quote me on this]) well i do have a reason, but i dont really wanna say...

Then he said, "i f**king hate them like, f**king stinking f**ks" then he asked if i like blacks, then i said, yeah, i dont have a problem with them, then he want, good lad :lol: :lol:

My whole family are racists, mainly because of what has happened, but im not saying......

EDIT: then alot more of my mates joined in the convo, and started to think what they would say about us, Honkey, White boi, White trash, and a few more, and we just laughed at how f**king funny they sounded! they are only words after all!! lol

We just laugh at what they say about us, but they dont laugh at what we say about them!

Neither does the government, which are f**king pricks....

Edited November 29, 2005 by terror-error

[Caleb]

I think it was funny when Kanye West said 'I hate it when white people try and be black, by using black phrases, and wearing black style clothing'.

Yeah, whatever. Why is he trying to be a white man by driving a car and having money? I mean, they're white inventions aren't they?

That is THE funniest thing ive ever seen on her :lol: gold star for Ian :lol:

[Dai the Socket]

It pisses me off how the Muslims or Black people, whatsever, people at my school who were let into the 6th form (North Halifax Grammar, which has about 98% white ethnicity) have such an attitude problem and look down / against white people at the school.

I'm perfectly willing to be alright with them and stuff but they've just got this grudge already and they do usually just say "its 'cos i'm black isn't it" and I just feel like saying "No, it's not but that doesn't help ur f**king case".

Asians, and loosely Pakis, are just wanting to take over and with all the stuff about shops not being able to play Xmas carols and say Christmas music and have Santa etc about. It's f**king stupid. So we stop their Eed? No. Actually, we give them days off college to fast and whatever.

Pisses me off no end.

I wasn't racist about 2 days ago and was really open minded, but the way the society and my local community (near bradford) is getting, it's unbelievable how much of a twat all of them are. I'm not lying. All. Every single asian I've come across and have spoken to anywhere near properly, have been c**ts.

Grrr. That's me over any done with anyway.

I don't think Britain should let any more immigrants into the country 'cos they're taking over and taking what's historically ours by stopping England flats when the world cup's on etc. Gr.

[Mark W]

They have black radio stations...black music awards (mobos) and loads of other things. Why is it we dont have white equivalants? How come black people can get away with black stuff, but white can't get away with 'white' stuff.

Haven't read (literally...) anything in this thread at all 'cos I know I'll end up replying, but:

The whole reason for that is that all the music you here in mainstream radio here is pretty much "white" radio, it's just that we're mostly white, so it's our music. Therefore, there's no point in saying "your music" or "white music". "Black" music however is typically based in other cultures, therefore it's introduced in such a way as it's not "white" music, and so it's different ot the norm.

If you get me. It's just the same as having jazz radio stations or classical FM or whatever.

[porn*]

might be a little distant from the topic but why isnt there a massive amount of black trials riders.......black people play football,rugby,golf.......but why not trials? :lol:

[Bennnn]

The govt. is racist in a way.

In the United States the only way you can get a scholarship for college is if you're black, mexican, arab, or if you're a insane genious etc. My neighbor who had hispanic descent, didn't look mexican at all and she was filthy rich, and stupid, she got a full ride scholarship. My four siblings none of them were able to get a scholarship over $1,000 a year and they all had straight A's for the most part and my family is just average I guess.

I hate how people are like why are you acting white?/why are you acting black?

I have a good friend who is black and he skates (very good too) he gets yelled at by alot of people(white and black) for not acting black enough because he wasn't gangsta, he didn't wear his pants to his ankles.

[N.Wood]

might be a little distant from the topic but why isnt there a massive amount of black trials riders.......black people play football,rugby,golf.......but why not trials? :lol:

I'm just guessing here, but natural body stucture?

I guess for the same reasons there's very few black swimmers.

Maybe fast/slow twitch muscles?

On the point of the white radio stations/TV programmes, what Mark is saying is right.

The whole of TV is basically white, as a base from whih everything sprung from.

There are now tangents coming off this white-ness catering for minorities such as asians, blacks etc.

[Dan6061]

I think it was Caleb that metioned shops etc not being able to put up Santa decorations etc, because people could get offended.

Not sure about you lot, but if other religions started decorationg everything in whatever the holiday is, I wouldn't give a shit.

The majority of people in the UK are Christian, and should be allowed to celebrate their holidays how they like.

It's like they're trying to stop people from celbrating christmas altogether.

It's just stupid.

I don't treat anyone from another race differently to how I would white people, all the same to me.

[tomturd]

EDIT: forget that....

[andyroo]

Haven't read (literally...) anything in this thread at all 'cos I know I'll end up replying, but:

The whole reason for that is that all the music you here in mainstream radio here is pretty much "white" radio, it's just that we're mostly white, so it's our music. Therefore, there's no point in saying "your music" or "white music". "Black" music however is typically based in other cultures, therefore it's introduced in such a way as it's not "white" music, and so it's different ot the norm.

If you get me. It's just the same as having jazz radio stations or classical FM or whatever.

Er... Is it me, or is most mainstream music of black origin? Hip-hop, rap, R&B... to be black in Britain is not a bad thing in this country, but is in fact regarded as cool. In every school ive been to, (all five of them) the people regarded as the coolest are black, who also hang around with asians who "act black". So being black is not a bad thing.

When I lived in Lewisham, my best mate shocked me by telling me how much black people hate each other... there are lots of shades of brown around the world, and each shade hates each other.

The whole thing is messed up by rumour and slander, as well as poor government morals. And to be honest, its never gonna change because blacks, asians and whites hate each other all the same.

[ZeroMatt]

In the mail the other day there was an article saying that the government refused to employ 100ish white policemen as they werent of ethnic origins or something like that, i'd say that was a bit barmy as apparently there is a shortage of policemen.

[Tomm]

I'm just guessing here, but natural body stucture?

I guess for the same reasons there's very few black swimmers.

Maybe fast/slow twitch muscles?

Nah, I bet the reasons are cultural I'm sure. There isn't that much difference between black people and white people (physiologically) anyway, and besides, who rides trials because they are naturally gifted at it? I will be the first person to say I'm not a naturally amazing trials rider. There are one or two people that are but that's luck, I doubt they knew they would be good at trials before they started.

[ScotchDave]

Also if you're naturally amazing at trials you find it too easy, so therefore something amazing will mean nothing to you.

[Brian Bleech]

Nah, I bet the reasons are cultural I'm sure. There isn't that much difference between black people and white people (physiologically) anyway, and besides, who rides trials because they are naturally gifted at it? I will be the first person to say I'm not a naturally amazing trials rider. There are one or two people that are but that's luck, I doubt they knew they would be good at trials before they started.

there are a few black guys around leeds that ride luke (lukebrisarider) and andre and a couple of young uns too - both luke and andre are two of the the most powerful and agressive riders i know, though Luke did do martial arts!

as for the rest of this topic - yeah i agree the political correctness has gone too far, I don't know one black guy thats finds calling a black board a black board offensive!!! I try to take each person as they come and i am more likely to judge someone by the clothes they were rather than there race, sexuality or religion!!

mike

[Ben Cox]

bathtrials and desire68 are also black guys, both sound as a pound though, ive learnt to accept immigrants seeing as i work in a kitchen full of them

Ben

[Shez.sheridan]

Race is always going to be a touchy subject, like sexism, there is and never will be a complete balance. I agree that there are some rediculous examples of hypersensitivity, the craziest one I have ever come across is the 'blackboard' is no longer allowed to be refered to as the 'blackboard', it's the 'chalkboard' - political correctness is driving society crazy and I think our country is heavily influenced by the societal structure of the U.S. primarily.....for me something becomes racist when you put it in the context of race - the 'blackboard/whiteboard' thing is a good example

I currently live in Italy, which is a little behind in the times....in Veneto the region where I live, it is reknowned for having a mildly racist standpoint - but race is new to Italy, not to the uk....and the differences are perfectly clear - there is a developing 'blame' culture - remember these advertisements.."Had an accident in the last 6 months, was it your fault; yes? Well sue the s*it out of your company anyway as everyone else is doing it..." These advertisements don't exist here (fortunately), however they have slowly filtered into the UK over the past few years from america where people take legal action for someone sneezing in their general direction. The same goes for our attitudes to race, justice etc..

Getting back to the issue of race, people perform on pre-conceptions, if you put your hand in a fire it gets burnt - result: you don't put your hand in the fire again. The same goes for race, since we are old enough to speak/understand, we are taught that race is an important issue, we are taught that it's a subject that we have to approach with caution - so it becomes an issue, we all fear to talk about it, the subject makes us uncomfortable which means we perform un-naturally......to me, it's more racist to fear talking about race, than it is to speak about it....hence I find the 'blackboard' example racist in itself, as it puts an otherwise normal object into a racial context...

Long typing - must carry on working, my design manager's becoming suspicious...

Ciao

Derv

[Mark W]

im not racist but i will call someone a tosser if they come into halfords and start talking english but in an indian way so you cant understand it, that just right pisses me off when they live here.

I can barely understand what people from North or South Wales who have really strong accents are saying. Maybe we should say they shouldn't live here either?

Oh no, wait, that's f**king stupid.

Selective replying going on here :P

Oh, and Caleb:

Why is it in Iraq they'll happily kidnap English and whites just for been over there, but over here we tried anything like that and wed be imprisoned or even for supporting it.

Are you mentally handicapped?

[delusional]

Haven't read (literally...) anything in this thread at all 'cos I know I'll end up replying, but:

The whole reason for that is that all the music you here in mainstream radio here is pretty much "white" radio, it's just that we're mostly white, so it's our music. Therefore, there's no point in saying "your music" or "white music". "Black" music however is typically based in other cultures, therefore it's introduced in such a way as it's not "white" music, and so it's different ot the norm.

If you get me. It's just the same as having jazz radio stations or classical FM or whatever.

The concept of Black/Asian/Other non-white racial type Awards is, in my opinion, a racist one. I vaguely understand the point, but I think in the long run these sort of things do more harm than good, by highlighting the difference in racial groups and insinuating that Black/Asian/OnWrt artists are not competent to compete in the non-racially specific awards.

So, racism. Let's play a little game shall we. Why don't you all sit down and right a list of the connotations inherent in the English language for the words (the words themselves, not as applied to a racial type) 'black' and 'white'.

To make it easier for those of you with no imagination (or grasp of language) here's a select few from a thesaurus:

Black: atrocious, bleak, depressing, depressive, dismal, dispiriting, distressing, doleful, dreary, foreboding, funereal, gloomy, horrible, mournful, ominous, oppressive, sad, sinister, somber, threatening

White: light, neutral, pearly, pure, silver, silvery, snowy, spotless, stainless, transparent, unblemished, unsullied

After that maybe we should look at the way in which these colours are used in literature. Something's evil? Lets make it black. Something's good? Lets make it white. These are ongoing themes that are used time and time again, throughout the language. For example: Gandalf the White, The Black riders.

Hopefully you can start to see how our language is itself inherently racist. Considering language is the only way we have of formulating our thoughts and opinions it's somewhat difficult to see how we can ever fully solve the problem of racial inequality when the very language we use to discuss the issues is steeped in racism.

This isn't just a problem for race either. Try sitting down and listing all the connotations of male and female. A slight patriarchal slant there I think!

I'm not sure what my point is here, beyond pointing out to people that problems with racism (and sexism, and other 'isms) run very, very deep in our cultural (and most other cultures). Sure, sometimes PC arguments seem a little silly, and to be fair they sometimes are. But they have the right idea, they just got the wrong end of the stick a little (or maybe simplified the stick a little bit).

[trials_pimp]

What 2 problems would they be

1) Stopping Imigrants entering our country

2) Creating Revnue

[Tomm]

<SNIP>

Alternatively:

Brown

amber, auburn, bay, beige, bister, brick, bronze, buff, burnt sienna, chestnut, chocolate, cinnamon, cocoa, coffee, copper, drab, dust, ecru, fawn, ginger, hazel, henna, khaki, mahogany, nut, ochre, puce, russet, rust, sepia, snuff-colored, sorrel, tan, tawny, terra-cotta, toast, umber

Ok that doesn't mean anything, but my point is that "black" people aren't actually black which basically goes against your argument. But anyway, I'm just being obtuse. If the English language is so inherently racist, are other languages different in their use of colours as descriptions?

[tomturd]

So, racism. Let's play a little game shall we. Why don't you all sit down and right a list of the connotations inherent in the English language for the words (the words themselves, not as applied to a racial type) 'black' and 'white'.

To make it easier for those of you with no imagination (or grasp of language) here's a select few from a thesaurus:

Black: atrocious, bleak, depressing, depressive, dismal, dispiriting, distressing, doleful, dreary, foreboding, funereal, gloomy, horrible, mournful, ominous, oppressive, sad, sinister, somber, threatening

White: light, neutral, pearly, pure, silver, silvery, snowy, spotless, stainless, transparent, unblemished, unsullied

I shit ye not, I just had to look up the definition of connotation about an hour ago (was fairly sure about it, just needed clarification). Just starting an essay on semiotics.. you seem to know your shit. Fancy coming over and helping me out? (Y)

Anyway, not much to say as im no longer getting involved in this, just the coincidence of me having to write an essay about this kinda thing and you putting it into practice was too huge to not mention. Now that sentence is a prime example of why i'm no good at essays (Y)