..johal.. Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 was just browsing the bike pics section and stumbled upon "the chinks" triton deema? i've never seen one before.... can i have some more info please. and maybe even geo if possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 The triton site has all that info, I was browsing it the other night. (Y) Just wondering, what front tyre is that, looks good. (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 (edited) There hand made in russia, made from titanium, and im sure the price is summet like £649?? with a wheelbase of 1080. www.tritonbicycleco.com - There website Website (Y) Check it out (Y) Tom Oh yeah and i thin that front tyre is a michelin? hot s? Edited November 27, 2005 by Tom Booth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..johal.. Posted November 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 cheers boys! £649 (Y) lets not go there then! johal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 There hand made in russia, made from titanium, and im sure the price is summet like £649?? with a wheelbase of 1080. www.tritonbicycleco.com - There website Website :) Check it out :P Tom Oh yeah and i thin that front tyre is a michelin? hot s? So it is, (Y) Thought it was sommat else, I should've known I've got one sitting less thant 6 feet from me. (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 £649 (Y) Funking rediculious IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..johal.. Posted November 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 chainstays are also rather long imo johal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonPace Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 chainstays are also rather long imo johal 385 mm is hardly long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siders77 Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Funking rediculious IMO For a Titanium frame? (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 (edited) 385 mm is hardly long! doesnt look like they could shorten them all that much. even if they wanted to either. Edited November 27, 2005 by mat hudson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 For a Titanium frame? (Y) Why do we need ti thou? its not asif what resources and materials we have at the minute arent sufficiant enough. I think anything over 350ish is way to much for a frame, seems rediculous to say tops youll get a year and a half out of it. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 XTP's sold well, they're £700 or something for something not special at all. Ti is special... therefore I think £649 is a decent price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Balls Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 +20mm bb rise...apart from that..the geo is pretty much identical to the coust. Had a go on it today...and it is pretty lush. Simon also has my dream spec (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineasmithpig Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 seems rediculous to say tops youll get a year and a half out of it i've got a mk1 levelboss. how old is that now? still goin strong. don't see the point in buyin a new frame unless you snap one. and if it snaps in 18 months, sounds like a pretty crappy frame to me (unless its taken some major abuse) anyways, what properties of titanium makes it worth the expenditure for a trials frame? and i mean apart from being light. does it outweigh the benefits of aluminium alloys in many areas? smithy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 titanium can be bent around and generally abused way more than any other metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineasmithpig Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 as in ductile? why would you want a bike frame to bend easily!? during forming its good, but then heat treatment is required to harden/stiffen it up again. as far as i'm aware, titanium, in treated 'useable' form is very hard, and therefore brittle. is this the case with tubing for frames as well? smithy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Funking rediculious IMO Not really, other ti frames can be £1000 + Why do we need ti thou? its not asif what resources and materials we have at the minute arent sufficiant enough. I think anything over 350ish is way to much for a frame, seems rediculous to say tops youll get a year and a half out of it. Tom It means you get a frame that is significantly lighter than otheres, with no loss of strength (hopefully). But it costs alot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Also Ti, is a bitch to weld, needs a special environment and special welding rods I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineasmithpig Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 don't they normally braze Ti frames? also, some o the stuff i read on tinterweb tonight suggests that Ti is usually reserved for road a cyclocross bikes, because high impacts and stress cause major fatigue in Ti tubes. is this true of all Ti tubes? or just the 3/4 grades they generally use for such applications? some even say they don't do large frames in SL (superlight) versions, because the extra weight associated with larger riders induces much more flex and strain on tubes, which could be detrimental to the life of the frame! so how dya make a trials frame strong enough, yet still reap the lightweight benefits of the material? surely the tubes have to be a fair thicker gauge? so really, the question is, does the benefit/cost ratio outweigh that of aluminium alloys? smithy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 (edited) so really, the question is, does the benefit/cost ratio outweigh that of aluminium alloys? That's for the buyer to decide. Bear in mind that a large road frame is going to be very flexy if constructed using thin-walled tubing. If you look at the design of the Deema frame you'll see that it has been built as small and tight as possible to minimise unwanted flex. When Raleigh produced their titanium trials frame prototypes (made in Russia by the same people who made the Raleigh Special Products titanium XC/road frames) for Ian Cooper, the downtube thickness was 0.8mm. So that's how you keep the frame lightweight - strong material, thin tubes. EDIT: Deema frame is TIG welded Edited November 28, 2005 by snappel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 chainstays are also rather long imo johal 385mm is the same as the new Koxx Coustellier frame aswell according to the December MBUK - Perfect :lol: More thoughts and opinions on the Triton "Deema" Titanium stock frame in this thread on OTN: http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=16980 Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 titanium can be bent around and generally abused way more than any other metal. but if you scratch it - you are buggered... you get stress concentrations around scratches, which lead to premature failure - ITS NOTCH SENSITIVE.... not exactly ideal for trials is it (think about it - I scratch my frame nearly every time i go out!) Also Ti, is a bitch to weld, needs a special environment and special welding rods I believe. Indeed - you have to weld it in inert gasses (is that the noble ones (?)) like helium and all them elements on the right of the old periodic. 650 is cheap for a ti frame - but the question is why for a trials bike. It just doesnt make any sense (unless you are unashamedly LOADED) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakley Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 as in ductile? why would you want a bike frame to bend easily!? during forming its good, but then heat treatment is required to harden/stiffen it up again. as far as i'm aware, titanium, in treated 'useable' form is very hard, and therefore brittle. is this the case with tubing for frames as well? smithy Titanium is obviously abit good other wise it wouldn't be used on harrier jump jets and the likes. Titanium is considerably lighter AND stronger than aliminium so if you have though money go for it!!! joE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thechink Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 titanium can flex a little so the frame is bouncey. and thats what the spanish swear by. look at the monty's there flexy and there riders sidehop america on them. also the frame weights about 3.5lb's now for comps thats god damn good. also the track record for the company that makes these frames is very very good. in 4 years they have had 2 or summit frames back that cracked. now thats pretty good. if you are ever on a group ride with me just ask and have a go and relise how pimp this frame is. peace out simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 titanium can flex a little so the frame is bouncey. and thats what the spanish swear by. look at the monty's there flexy and there riders sidehop america on them. also the frame weights about 3.5lb's now for comps thats god damn good. also the track record for the company that makes these frames is very very good. in 4 years they have had 2 or summit frames back that cracked. now thats pretty good. if you are ever on a group ride with me just ask and have a go and relise how pimp this frame is. peace out simon How many frames have they made in 4 years? Im interested in the mod frame, but I'd never be able to afford one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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