Ashley Smith Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Hi, i thought i would make a topic on the new, soon to be released hope pro 2 hubs, i have been testing these hubs for around 18 months with various different combinations of ratchet designs, The hubs are now fully finished in terms of design for the standard hubs, the single speed/ 6 sprocket dishless trials version is still a prototype (i only just recieved mine today) the hubs are as follows pro 2: this will have aluminium drive shell, with a 24 pawl rathcet body with 4 equal pawls giving 24 engagement points. pro 2 t: this will have a stainless stell drive shell, with 24 pawl ratchet body with 4 offset pawls giving 48 engagement points. these are all due in decmeber to be in shops these are pictured below in ash kenndards post (he is uploading the pics of my hubs) however today i receieved a new prototype, which i asked to be made, this is going to be quite interseting for trials riders this is a pro 2 t hub, with a shorter cassette body made of stainless steel, this gives a dishless rear wheel, whioch is a lot stronger than normal, also the hub hosts M10m button head bolts rather than qr's but the good thing about this certain hub is that it can accomodate 6 of hopes new sprockets in a wide array of sizes, thus being able to be used on a stock bike for british championships rules, also it can be run as single speed, this hubs to me, looks like it will be the choice of trials riders, due to the dishless option and the 6 sprockets fitting perfectly, ash is now goin to upload the pictures for me, any questions please fell free to ask cheers ashley smith, barnoldswick :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 love ash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 yep, I would rather like the 6 speed one :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_bush Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 will you beable to get a non disk hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Looks good, but all that stuff doesn't mean shit if it skips all the time. But hopefully Hope will have done their homework and this won't be a problem. All looks good, especially the bolts instead of QRs :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 will they be coming in all the different colours and with hope waranty as usual? steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairy elephants Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Looks good, but all that stuff doesn't mean shit if it skips all the time. But hopefully Hope will have done their homework and this won't be a problem. All looks good, especially the bolts instead of QRs :S Is that not what the 18months of teat riding was about? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted November 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 answers to questions so far: - yes they are goin to be non disc for the trials version, the single speed was just a prototype yes they are all coming out in all the usual colours (except green and purple as hope have given over with these colours, there was not enough demand for them) they will be available in either 32 or 36 hole spoke options yes the 18 long months was very testing............... finidng a pawl and spring design which works, as of yet the new leaf spring design is yet to skip, on either my bike or joe shepheards.......my fellow trials rider. feedback from other disciplines of the biking world e.g. xc and dh have been good keep the questions coming guys cheers ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onza Kieron Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Would it be possible to have an internals pic or is it not allowed yet incase other companies copy. Kieron :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 these hubs would have been released so much sooner and would have had more rider in put if they had done them through a wider range of riders, really doesnt bother me weather i run mono hubs or pro 2 hubs but what is doing my nut in is that there are more and more topics on here about pro 2 hubs than there is of bloody decent trials related topics!!!!! these hubs should have been tested by the likes of akrigg, ashton and hawzee etc etc where there input would have been there to help and also the likes of younger street riders who bash and beat things up. that is how you test things not giving them to someone or people who dont ride their bikes!!!! their is a young lad from near barnoldswick who breaks stuff for fun and he is the lad that should have had all the pro2 prototypes!!! hes spot on and really would test the hubs. Waynio.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted November 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 i cant get a picture of the internals as of yet because if i take the cassetet body off, you need a special bush to replace the seal on these new hubs................ its a bit of a pain in the arse the internals are basically the same as a profile though.......... leaf spring design, this hasnt budged yet, my mate joe shepheard, hes a good rider, quite heavy and his pro 2 hasnt budged either, he was going through standard hope xc hubs in about 2 days, he even stripped the ratchet ring threads in a xc hub, which is almost unheard of.... the earlier designs, with the wrap around spring..... which i think wayne saw one of mine was absolutely crap, they skipped for fun and the ratchets on mine all broke..... but the new ones seem to be good, ive got one on my xc bike which is never going to break due to it doesnt get enough stress, the one on my trials bike is awesome, although they do need beddign in at first, you can feel the rathcte ring tightne within the hub shell.................. ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 So will the final trials version be available in singlespeed and WITH disc tabs? Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb88 Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 So the pro 2 t has 2 pawls engaging at one time? with 4 in total? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 ye 2 pawls engage at once so there like a profile in thoery which i said they should have done in the first place! you may aswell take a good design and make it better. also its joe that is the good rider who should have been testing these from new. i ordered my new hope hubs for 2006 and they said hold back for a pair of the pro 2's and i have but i still got a pair of mono's but i swear by mono's my self, it will take somethng special to make me think ye this is so much better, so we will wait and see. its not about pick up its about what you can do with what you have got!back in the day adam wilson used shimano hubs!!!! and he was awesum even with shitmano. people who think about pick up and stuff will always have problems with thinking aboout it and not progress cos there thinking too much about lack of pick up. Waynio...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Valid points wayne, but, there is no point holding yourself back just to prove you can ride with less engagements. I have a king, it feels so much nicer than an ACS, you cant deny it. And saying that, an ACS has more engagements than a hope, so that must feel pretty wank. Engagements are good, and i dont know how people can say they would rather have 24, than 48 or 72. Good on hope for making all this trials stuff, hopefully it will help the sport grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 yeah, but the force comes from different places so its bound to feel different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomN Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 i cant get a picture of the internals as of yet because if i take the cassetet body off, you need a special bush to replace the seal on these new hubs................ its a bit of a pain in the arse the internals are basically the same as a profile though.......... leaf spring design, this hasnt budged yet, my mate joe shepheard, hes a good rider, quite heavy and his pro 2 hasnt budged either, he was going through standard hope xc hubs in about 2 days, he even stripped the ratchet ring threads in a xc hub, which is almost unheard of.... My mate did that :) , how much will these hubs be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted November 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 notice, i said 'almost' unheard of, and especially in 2 days............... the prices for the hubs will be around the usual price of £120 the pro 2 t hubs have 2 pawls engaging at a time, with 48 eps the pro 2 hubs have 4 pawls engaging at a time, with 24 eps the single speed hubs should be available without the disc mounts or with the disc mount, but that is still a prototype............ ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 My mate did that :) , how much will these hubs be? lol i did that too, but thats not the issue here. the hubs sound good, although i prob wont be trading my king in for them. the 6speed cassette hub sounds perfect though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank_rider Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 i cant get a picture of the internals as of yet because if i take the cassetet body off, you need a special bush to replace the seal on these new hubs................ its a bit of a pain in the arse Please tell me thats going to be fixed in the production version. Part of the appeal of a hope is that it can be fully serviced with no tools. If a bush needs replacing every time you take the bloody thing apart its going to be a right pain in the arse!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted November 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 the bush is just used to press the seal into the location, this will not be like this on the production versions :) ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 December u say can we/dealers resever em? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted November 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 dealers should be able to order them...........there in the trade book that goes out to dealers within the uk........'braking news' catalogue ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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