Dan6061 Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 (edited) Cracked my T-Pro blah blah. Was going to get the Zona Zip frame, but then one of my mates asked if i'd thought about getting a Zoo Python instead. Just want to know is there much difference in them? Apart from one being abit more expensive with Zoo! Stickers on it (Y) How they ride compared to eachover, Geo, etc etc. (N) :lol: EDIT: Also, what would be better to have? Short, or long Zoo? (Check bottom post) Edited November 12, 2005 by Dan6061 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 the zona is a difference heavier but has a bash and the zoo doesnt. if you want a bash get the zona (Y) steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Ahh yeah, forgot about that part, If I get enough money I'll go for it. But don't you need bashplates in comps? Becuase I might start comps next year...maybe.. (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 (Y) take it off then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Ahh yeah, forgot about that part, If I get enough money I'll go for it. But don't you need bashplates in comps? Becuase I might start comps next year...maybe.. (Y) i think you do for the comps, but when your riding i dont think you will feel too much difference between the weights. steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Gu! U know u want one! Lol. But yeh, the zona is a bit heavier than the zoo, however, as has been said before, you dont really notice it when riding- I came from a very lightweight 221 to the zona, and it didnt feel much heavier while riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nafan Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Zoo Python, lighter, stronger, better (Y) :lol: I mean have you seen any Craig Lee Scott vids? (N) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Zoo Python, lighter, stronger, better (Y) :lol: I mean have you seen any Craig Lee Scott vids? (N) i think he wants a bash plate because he wants to do comps? atleast i hink you need a bash plate for comps. steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 i think he wants a bash plate because he wants to do comps? atleast i hink you need a bash plate for comps. steve. Yeh, you are supposed to anyway according to the rules. The only thing (other than the price and bashplate) that is better on the Zona though IMO is the length of the dropouts- you can shorten your chain if you want, so it has shorter stays than the python (which are IMO a tad long). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 So i'm guessing they're very similar riding wise? Zona still winning at the moment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 right, you need a bash plate for comp so, a zoo! doesnt have a bash plate which means you cant use it in comps, but you want to start comps so you'll need a bash plate which means you other choice which does have a bash plate ,a zona. the zona it a bit heavier but when you are riding it, you wont feel the difference. also because it is a bit heavier too, i would imagine it would be as strong as the zoo! maybe just a bit weaker, but most likely the same. i think it has the same geomertry as the zoo! cls and also has long drops out. just putting it all together for you :lol: (Y) steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogonation Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 If you do need a bashplate in comps, I don't think any of the organisers run by the rules because there are allways loads of people in comps using zoo pythons and other mods without a bashplate. Even in the worlds there were alot of people using a zoo python.. e.g lee buchanan. So if I were you I would buy the python and have a strong frame for only £229 or something from selectbikes. It will be well worth it in the long run (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir trial a lot Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 if anyone complains just cable tie a bash plate to it :lol: job done. They cant peanalise you if its there, (which it would be, just not usable) (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Yeh, you are supposed to anyway according to the rules. The only thing (other than the price and bashplate) that is better on the Zona though IMO is the length of the dropouts- you can shorten your chain if you want, so it has shorter stays than the python (which are IMO a tad long). Except you can't :turned: My chainstays, with my back wheel where it is, are effectively 360mm long. If I had it much further in at all, I'd be rubbing my tyre on the CNC'd top-plate of the rear triangly bit, if you see where I mean (the plate joining the two seat-stays, over the top). However, if you removed a link you'd have savagely short stays which wouldn't really be that nice :) So i'm guessing they're very similar riding wise? Zona still winning at the moment... No. I rode, back-to-back, my Zip and someone's CLS Python, and I way prefered the feel of my Zip. The stays are 13-15mm shorter on my bike, and the BB's about 5mm higher on mine. The shorter stays and higehr BB meant the back wheel felt more "under" you, so it was nicer for gapping and just being on the back wheel, plus it's a loooooad flickier and more fun to ride. i think it has the same geomertry as the zoo! cls No :P Personally, I'm glad I got the Zip. Everyone's going on about "Ooh, you must be so gutted the Zoo's are only £229 now" but to be honest, I'm not. I prefer the ride of the Zona - just ask the people on the Bristol ride who had a go on it how nice it rides :P - and so I'm happier with that, really. Plus, I didn't need to buy a completely new crankset to actually be able to run a bashring. Bit of a plus, really, what with that being £229 + £109 for new cranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zanneslover Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Ahh yeah, forgot about that part, If I get enough money I'll go for it. But don't you need bashplates in comps? Becuase I might start comps next year...maybe.. :turned: No you don't have to have a bashplate as far as I was aware. UCI rules penalise you if you actually use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 They also penalise you for using your pedals, but you've still gotta have them on :turned: It's to do with the actual bike setup that they try and enforce, although I think people are doing comps without plates now... Either way, unless you are planning on competing at a high-level Worlds comp, you probably won't be DQ'd due to not having a plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted November 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Buying alot of stuff of Caleb now... Python (Long) frame, Echo teams(?), front hope xc on echo rim, hope mini with 185mm rotor, try-all cranks with red eno freewheel. And he said he'll throw in some Fresh snail cams and more :turned: £270 :P So I could do that, then if I don't like the Zoo!, sell it and get the Zip.. Not getting that untill the end of this month though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Except you can't (Y) My chainstays, with my back wheel where it is, are effectively 360mm long. If I had it much further in at all, I'd be rubbing my tyre on the CNC'd top-plate of the rear triangly bit, if you see where I mean (the plate joining the two seat-stays, over the top). However, if you removed a link you'd have savagely short stays which wouldn't really be that nice (Y) No. I rode, back-to-back, my Zip and someone's CLS Python, and I way prefered the feel of my Zip. The stays are 13-15mm shorter on my bike Thats what I mean- I meant the python CLS- 360mm stays being like 15mm shorter than those on a CLS python. Doesnt Lee Buchanan ride a Yao Zhi python? Im probably wrong, but I thought he did- they are the short version, which might, or might not have a bash plate- I cant remember for sure if it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Thats what I mean- I meant the python CLS- 360mm stays being like 15mm shorter than those on a CLS python. I...erm...don't really get what you mean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted November 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Not buying so much stuff off Caleb now..Maybe just Frame and cranks... Could get Caleb's long (1040?) CLS Python frame for £130 (without cranks etc) Or get a new short (1005) Yao Zhi Python from Selectbikes for £229... I have a T-pro now, so maybe the shorter frame would be better? I mainly ride street, so what would be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 I...erm...don't really get what you mean... You said that the problem is that you can't shorten your chain to be much shorter than the python, like I mentioned, and said your stays are 360mm long. But I was refferring to the CLS python, which your stays are 15mm shorter than. So you can, in that case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Well, seeing how cheap 05 Pythons are on Selectbikes, then take Zip out of the equation, real Pythons are U6, have a more dent resistant downtube 'cos the Zips appear to have a downtube identical to the T-Mag 05's, 1600g and 1800g approx for YZ and CLS, whilst Zona Zips are around 2100g but then again they have bashplate mounts... Also the CNC'd Zoo headtube is probably more flare resistant and there's less chance you need to face and ream that headtube, unlike the Zip headtube which looks like a normal piece of tubing bit like a BB shell perhaps. Anyway, with Selectbike's prices, Python is an obvious winner, but personally, I think the Yao Zhi Python is great for doing stuff like backwheel ups and rockwalks, stuff like that. It's also supposed to be better for bunnyhopping, but that's arguable. CLS Python is definitely better for static gaps, and feel better for riding natty on, from my experiences. Backwheel balance, in terms of backhopping on the spot, feels nicer to keep control on the CLS 'cos of longer stays. Yao Zhi is pretty nice for control still anyway, but I find stuff like long Echo Teams, to be stupidly twitchy with a long front and short back end... feels like a pogo stick ;) Depends what you like doing, I suppose, if you're a pure trials rider, then go for a CLS, but if you want to do different stuff like spins or manuals, then probs a Yao Zhi, there's not much in it between them, it's all personal preference. Rumour has it that Selectbikes have only one more Yao Zhi in stock, so if you're thinking of one, then hurry up with the typing out of credit card details to Selectbikes (Y) . :shifty: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted November 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Cheers Sponge ;) :shifty: I think i'll go for the CLS Python off Caleb then. As it soundas good for street, and I'm slowly learning manuels and spins etc, so would still be good for that. And wouldn't the high BB make it 'feel' shorter? And this python has a bashplate (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_ferret Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 yeah it will ride nice i like pythons can spin them even though i don't own one... once your used to it it will fell lovely.... bb rise isn't huge so cant see it making much difference but i've gone from no bb rise to stupid amounts! fells short despite the 1400 wheelbase :shifty: good luck pythons are amazing! oggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 dont wanna stop any sales but all the pythons I have rode have been awfull!! Soo bad I actually consider them the worst riding bikes in existance! Cant really comment on a zip, but onza boy mark said he reckens they ride nicer than pythons, so with them having different geo leads me to believe him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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