fairy elephants Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 At the hampshire comp today, i noticed more people seem to be using a dual disk set-up. I have just got a hope mono trial on the front, and i would now really like to try one on the rear. It would be going on a toxsin frame. What are you oppinions? will it just snap? or will it last 6 months then snap? worth a try? Cheers, Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Could go for the magura louise and special monty disc pads, they seem to work well on monty's :) If its just the standard disc mount welded onto the dropouts, guesses are it wont last long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 will it just snap? or will it last 6 months then snap? worth a try? yes, no, no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Just a note before you try this, although the discs do work well and I love mine, in the pouring rain and mud yesterday, both me and scott wilson were having trouble keeping control of ours (I've got avids and scott runs Mono Trials). But I ran a louise disc on an ES2 for about a year before it snapped so I should imagine it'd last you a while. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Wierd. I've always found discs to work BETTER in the wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 in the pouring rain and mud yesterday, both me and scott wilson were having trouble keeping control of ours What exactly do you mean by that Rich? Unpredictable? Lack of power? Lock? Bite? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shovel Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 i've got a toxsin #1 frame with a magura on the back running heatsink blue pads/harsh grind and i think its amazing, the frame seems to bee really stiff without the need for a booster so i don't really see the need to swap to a disc, you could try it out if you really wanted but i think that a well set up magura on the rear with decent pads would be better than a disc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 What exactly do you mean by that Rich? Unpredictable? Lack of power? Lock? Bite? Cheers The general problem I found that was the combination of grit, mud and water coating the discs, combined with having to drag the discs quite a lot when rolling down steep drops left my rotors coated with worn aluminium residue from the rotors and took a lot out of the pads. In wet street conditons like when we rode plymouth the other day, the discs locked like a prison door, but the mud and grit which built up inside the calipers at the hampshire comp left the brakes feeling a little on the spongy side and there was a lack of bite. In defense however, I was so cold I was having difficulty pulling on the levers because my fingers would be reluctant to move as much! I've got a few ideas as to how to deal with it next time I'm in those conditions, but we'll just wait and see. Scott was running the mono trials which adjust themselves (basically) so he had less problems than me, but I think I've got that problem sorted now. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 The general problem I found that was the combination of grit, mud and water coating the discs, combined with having to drag the discs quite a lot when rolling down steep drops left my rotors coated with worn aluminium residue from the rotors and took a lot out of the pads. In wet street conditons like when we rode plymouth the other day, the discs locked like a prison door, but the mud and grit which built up inside the calipers at the hampshire comp left the brakes feeling a little on the spongy side and there was a lack of bite. In defense however, I was so cold I was having difficulty pulling on the levers because my fingers would be reluctant to move as much! I've got a few ideas as to how to deal with it next time I'm in those conditions, but we'll just wait and see. Scott was running the mono trials which adjust themselves (basically) so he had less problems than me, but I think I've got that problem sorted now. Rich Sounds like you need some big fat wavey rotors rich to keep the disc and pads clean :) I'v gone/going rear disc now after riding some montys and Rich's Lessongona test a few brakes to see whats best but i've got a Magura Marta, Avid and getting a Hope Trial all in 180 so i'll report back next year some time on what i thinks best. I'm predicting the Magura with a set of Monty pads but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nafan Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Wierd. I've always found discs to work BETTER in the wet. Yes I agree, I run a Hope C2, I cleaned it the other day, and it didnt work for shit but then I went out in the rain and it started making its usualy horrible noises but working brilliantly (Y) :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairy elephants Posted November 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 What do you guys with rear disks find the bite and hold to be like compared to a magura? I'm currently running koxx browns on a grind, and it works very well, but i would like it to keep working well in all conditions. If a disk could give me just as good bite and hold as my current set-up, i would be extremely happy. (Y) Terry said something about another day at the warehouse, so if anyone is there with a rear disk, expect me to be asking to try it :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp101 Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 http://www.hayesdiscbrake.com/hayesu_product1.shtml They explain it fairly well. Should help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Evil1 Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Hey At the comp my rear disk was not working aswell as it does in the dry, but even with all the mud and grime it still worked a lot better than a rim brake would of. It maintained (most) of its bite, and the performance of it did not vary during the day. I was able to hop to the edges of things and it did not slip. I really like having a rear disk and find it really helps, especially in the wet!! I am running hope trials front and rear, on the front i have a 160 rotor and on the rear i use a 180 rotor. <_<(Y) Scott w (N) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairy elephants Posted November 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Hey At the comp my rear disk was not working aswell as it does in the dry, but even with all the mud and grime it still worked a lot better than a rim brake would of. It maintained (most) of its bite, and the performance of it did not vary during the day. I was able to hop to the edges of things and it did not slip. I really like having a rear disk and find it really helps, especially in the wet!! I am running hope trials front and rear, on the front i have a 160 rotor and on the rear i use a 180 rotor. <_<(Y) Scott w :) Wow! i could barely go on the back wheel! haha. If it held you in those conditions i think it could well be a worth while investment. Cheers for all the reply's guys (N) and expect me to be asking to have a lil ride at the warehouse if your there (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 isnt it very high risk of hitting it on an objest when sidehopping unless you sidehop the other way or are just very good at side hopping :D steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Evil1 Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 isnt it very high risk of hitting it on an objest when sidehopping unless you sidehop the other way or are just very good at side hopping ^_^ steve. Not really I know thats why a lot of people are put off, but the only time you will hit it ( 99.9% of the time) is when you get wedged in a small space or do a little move into a small log, wall etc. Very rare that you hit them. And most of the time you can just bend them back into shape lol :D(Y) Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Not really I know thats why a lot of people are put off, but the only time you will hit it ( 99.9% of the time) is when you get wedged in a small space or do a little move into a small log, wall etc. Very rare that you hit them. And most of the time you can just bend them back into shape lol :D(Y) Scott Very true. Although I've had my front disc bent for a while now, it just makes a bit of a rubbing noise when I ride. Although I bled it today (only because I bled my back brake which made my front seem inferior in comparison ^_^) and I used a wrench to gently bend it back in to place. It was just like truing a wheel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 lol, my front disk doesnt stay straight for more than an hour after getting it :D my wheel barly does a full rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 You don't really notice it when you ride though. And still beats tar on your rims! I seriously doubt I could EVER move away from discs. I really want to try one of these high BB frames, but none of them seem to have disc mounts :D At the moment I'm looking to the Saracen Team Trials frames, but the geometry isn't actually that different to my Orange Zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 You don't really notice it when you ride though. And still beats tar on your rims! I seriously doubt I could EVER move away from discs. I really want to try one of these high BB frames, but none of them seem to have disc mounts (Y) At the moment I'm looking to the Saracen Team Trials frames, but the geometry isn't actually that different to my Orange Zero. KOT MS2! plus 20 rear internal disc mount, and a +40bb.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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