Gavyn. Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey is what you need.Has 4g of glutamine and BCAA's and is by far the best selling whey out there. Buy off ebay ( Elite Supplements ). I'd also recommend creatine because it will make a difference in the long run...Mix whey and creatine ( 2 scoops of whey + 10g creatine monohydrate ) STRAIGHT AFTER your workout.Possibly the best thing you could put in your body after a hard workout.GavI usually have 1 scoop before and one after if I'm at the gym just in case i don't fancy heading home straight away afterwards. I have creatine capsules which i take daily.anyway I've discovered possibly the most versatile thing you can use for upper body strength is a punch bag+ wall mount i bought an unfilled bag which cost about 20 and filled it with sand for free it's incredibly solid I mean it f**king hurts to punch it even with full competition 14oZ gloves it also weighs just over 50kgs so tie a rope around it and it's perfect for doing dead lift reps and bench reps I've been using it for everything really and the wall mount is great for pull ups defo worth it even if you aren't into boxing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondy Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I usually have 1 scoop before and one after if I'm at the gym just in case i don't fancy heading home straight away afterwards. I have creatine capsules which i take daily.Do you work out daily, if not, then you dont really need to take them everyday, creatine just helps in replenishing ATP (high energy compound) alot quicker and helps for short, high intensity activities (weights training etc) and doesnt last for very long (unless supplemented), after which your body breaks down glycogen to replenish ATP stores.On the protein supplement side of things, i use the Optimum Nutrition gold standard aswell, its tastes alright (chocolate one, dont buy cookies n cream, ive still got 3/4 of a tub in my room its absolutely disgusting) and isnt too bad for the price you pay.Bah, i need to start excercising again, stupid christmas holidays and all the fatty foods made me put on about 12lbs its crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Do you work out daily, if not, then you dont really need to take them everyday, creatine just helps in replenishing ATP (high energy compound) alot quicker and helps for short, high intensity activities (weights training etc) and doesnt last for very long (unless supplemented), after which your body breaks down glycogen to replenish ATP stores.On the protein supplement side of things, i use the Optimum Nutrition gold standard aswell, its tastes alright (chocolate one, dont buy cookies n cream, ive still got 3/4 of a tub in my room its absolutely disgusting) and isnt too bad for the price you pay.Bah, i need to start excercising again, stupid christmas holidays and all the fatty foods made me put on about 12lbs its crazy.I work out daily usually not full blown but still take them any way as it's not really doing me any harm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 i use the Optimum Nutrition gold standard aswell, its tastes alright (chocolate one, dont buy cookies n cream, ive still got 3/4 of a tub in my room its absolutely disgusting) the price you pay.i once made the cookies and creme mistake too, it just sounded sooo goood. but in reality i used it twice, then pretty much gave it to fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 after nearly 1 year of no gym.. and 8 months of not doing any form of cardio... i decided to go back to the gym lol. Not a proper one like before.. this one is like machines.. a few free weights but meh.. i feel like a complete sell out.. but at the same time im not overly bothered. I went on the exercise bike .. i cudnt even do a 3 minute sprint.. i heart attacked after half the time lol.. lets hope i can sort this all out in the next few weeks.A bit pissed off they dont have a squat rack but i can do dips/pulls ups.. and free weights shit.. but ive realised.. machines are so much easier lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm hungry Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Do you work out daily, if not, then you dont really need to take them everyday, creatine just helps in replenishing ATP (high energy compound) alot quicker and helps for short, high intensity activities (weights training etc) and doesnt last for very long (unless supplemented), after which your body breaks down glycogen to replenish ATP stores.On the protein supplement side of things, i use the Optimum Nutrition gold standard aswell, its tastes alright (chocolate one, dont buy cookies n cream, ive still got 3/4 of a tub in my room its absolutely disgusting) and isnt too bad for the price you pay.Bah, i need to start excercising again, stupid christmas holidays and all the fatty foods made me put on about 12lbs its crazy.Ofcourse you need to take creatine daily, you go through a loading cycle 20mg per day for 3 - 5 days.After that you cycle it for 8 weeks, taking 5 - 10 mg ( 5mg on non-workout days 10mg on hard training days right after your workout with the protein )which is followed by 4 weeks off.If you dont take it daily you lose its effects. And im talking about monohydrate, if your taking ethyl ester ( CEE ) you dont need to load and you dont need to take it daily.Gav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 after nearly 1 year of no gym.. and 8 months of not doing any form of cardio... i decided to go back to the gym lol. Not a proper one like before.. this one is like machines.. a few free weights but meh.. i feel like a complete sell out.. but at the same time im not overly bothered. I went on the exercise bike .. i cudnt even do a 3 minute sprint.. i heart attacked after half the time lol.. lets hope i can sort this all out in the next few weeks.A bit pissed off they dont have a squat rack but i can do dips/pulls ups.. and free weights shit.. but ive realised.. machines are so much easier lolMachines are ghey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLeacock™ Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Machines are ghey.Why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I have no idea, I was just told the freeweights are better. Much, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondy Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Ofcourse you need to take creatine daily, you go through a loading cycle 20mg per day for 3 - 5 days.After that you cycle it for 8 weeks, taking 5 - 10 mg ( 5mg on non-workout days 10mg on hard training days right after your workout with the protein )which is followed by 4 weeks off.If you dont take it daily you lose its effects. And im talking about monohydrate, if your taking ethyl ester ( CEE ) you dont need to load and you dont need to take it daily.GavYou dont have to creatine load all the time, you can take the smaller amounts and still have the same creatine levels as when loading. I know what you mean though as some people say that by using cycles it stops the body from adapting to the supplement of creatine and stopping the body from supplying it naturally, but just through continuous use hasnt been found that much different from loading. So it's up to whoever uses it really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I have no idea, I was just told the freeweights are better. Much, in fact.Free weights will do exactly the same as machines you just add more weight to machines unless they've been balanced. free weights are more dangerous and you don't need a spotter for a machine so machines are probs better if you're not mega serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Free weights will do exactly the same as machines you just add more weight to machines unless they've been balanced. free weights are more dangerous and you don't need a spotter for a machine so machines are probs better if you're not mega serious.erm..free weights will always own machines. Its not just about being able to lift heavy weight its about stability and stabalising muscles. For example.. doing shoulder press sitting down on a machine you can cheat everything. Try it standing with dumbells.. u wont be able to lift half the weight you could on the machine because you need to stabalise the weight, you get a much higher muscle recruitment and stimulation of nerves throughout your body. Basically free weights will hit lots of areas at once so increase growth much more than just sat at a machine isolating one thing.there is a lot of science behind it.. and common sense.. but thats basically it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondy Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) Words.Yes, plus free weights promote a free range of motion, whereas machines restrict this (although some newer machines are quite good with allowing good motion).But yeh i agree, due to the stabilising muscles involved in using free weights, it is alot better for you as everything is not in a fixed position. Edited January 20, 2008 by Bondy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I know about free motion and that but if your only doing it to look good or your not bothered about lifting huge amounts then machines are fine you can build muscle just as fast (although different muscles). it just makes life easier and it's easy to not get hurt. I use both so i'm not to bothered.gav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 i once made the cookies and creme mistake too, it just sounded sooo goood. but in reality i used it twice, then pretty much gave it to fish.Yeah, it's f**king rank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm hungry Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I know about free motion and that but if your only doing it to look good or your not bothered about lifting huge amounts then machines are fine you can build muscle just as fast (although different muscles). it just makes life easier and it's easy to not get hurt. I use both so i'm not to bothered.gavYou should use both machines and free weights.There are some machines like the lat pulldown machine and cables, smith machine which are amazing for hitting certain areas and you cant get free weights to do what a lat pulldown machine does to your back, so its not really a thing of using free weights or machines.Free weights for majority of exercises but never rule machines out all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I am joining the gym at college, it's free, all I have to do now is go along on Wednesday and slog my guts out for 40/60 mins.Hopefully this will enable me to get some decent cardio work done. At the moment I am doing roughly, none.Well I went swimming last Wednesday. That's it so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 You should use both machines and free weights.There are some machines like the lat pulldown machine and cables, smith machine which are amazing for hitting certain areas and you cant get free weights to do what a lat pulldown machine does to your back, so its not really a thing of using free weights or machines.Free weights for majority of exercises but never rule machines out all together.what does a lat pull down beat wide grip pulls ups on? you can even add weight with a dip belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm hungry Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 what does a lat pull down beat wide grip pulls ups on? you can even add weight with a dip belt.FAR BETTER contraction of the lats.The pull ups will involve biceps and secondary muscles way too much.There's a good reason why pro's and all the people I know use lat pulldown over pull ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I'm a little pissed off, all of my lifts are going up dramatically, but my bench press hasn't gone up at all.Stuff like bent over rows I have had to put up 3 times already.My arms have gone up 2 inches since starting though. 90 curls, (3 tpyes), clearly doing their work at last! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials rules Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) The whey protein at Holland & Barrat is quite often included in half price deals etc so it's worth keeping a look out for that, quite often advertised on telly as well. I've passed all the administration and the pre-joining fitness test for the Royal Marines and now awaiting my potential royal marines course date, which is basically 3 days of physical tests, where they beast you until you cryyyyy!Tis gonna be fun!But yea, ive joined my local gym recently to help me prepare and started giving it plenty of beans on bench press, incline bench press, press ups, tricep dips, pull ups, upright rowing, sit ups, sat down rowing (cant remember its proper name), standing lateral raises and shoulder press. I think thats about it. Aiming to build up upper body strength for the fitness assesments and also things like the crawling im going to have to do and kind of wrestling etc.I'll keep you posted on my progress!EDIT:The whey protein is on offer now:- Half price protein Edited January 21, 2008 by trials rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Cheers for that dude, I may have to try some.I just nearly killed myself, I put a few of my weights up, and it weel urts now. Anyone know where I can get some 500/750g weights from? :$ Going from 5kg flys to 7.5 is far too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoby Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Just started on my abs about a month ago. I’m doing quite well... Got a picture if you want to see just PM me.I edited it and now I look like I actually have mussel!! it’s well good!I do little weights.Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hI-OOPS-CAPS Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 ive done the treadmill, trials, and too much squash in short space of time. and im mincing everywhere, its quite painful to do somethingsis there anything i can eat or do to ease this? other than rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxrider Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Finally got my arse into gear and lifted again today, the rest/lazyness did me good, everything was a lot easier today Need a proper squat rack now though, or at least sumthing higher... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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