munkee Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 I touched the bench press for the first time in my life a month ago, started on 30.. worked my way up to 47 for 8 reps. I did 50 on the first day for 2 reps so i dont know whats going on. Benching is so much harder than you think its going to be. Its all triceps though, which i have f**k all of. My friend who i go to the gym with does 125. Saw a guy the other night do 205 :( he is a rugby player though but still.. thats f**king crazy, the whole gym went silent. He tried 210 but couldnt do it, his 1st phase let him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanRs Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 (edited) Testosterone. Yer trialsking I wouldn't start training until your 14/15. At 13 I doubt your body will have started to produce Testosterone yet and it will be physically impossible to increase your muscle without the use of steroids. -Trialsking.... Start lifing weights as soon as you start puberty..... Cos this is when your HGH (Human Growth Hormone) is at its peak -the Hgh casues call manipulation (splitting) hence the reason you growth spurt... and when you hit your growth spurt, you will be producing Testosterone... which increases Male charaistics and promotes Cell Growth.. So combining Testosterone and HGH, you are Duplicating cells , then Doubling them in size.. So if you train hard on the weights durin puberty, it will give similar effects to taking Steroids and HGH injections in one go, and will concentrate your testosterone towards muscle growth.. After all, steroids are pure Testosterone (of varied types) the reason we shrivle up and eventually die when we get old is mostly down to the HGH system slowing down.. so cell reproduction becomes less and less.. meaning less dead cells are replaced. ... ... Anyway... About the whole 6 pack issue.... Be warned... if you want a 6 pack, Even if you are bodybuilding, its better to do a light weight and lots of reps (till it hurts) / lots of situps while holding a light dumbell.... As apposed to trying to pull heavy weights like when training most other muscle groups.. Reason being.... if you Build your stomach with heavy weights, it will start to stick outward, and each of the 6 Ab muscles will grow Longer (towards ur sides)... and no longer give that 'Square Block' shape anymore.. more of a Aerobic excersize is best for your abs... but only do it once/twice a week at most! Edited November 17, 2005 by RyanRs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted November 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 I was working on chest tonight. Benchpressed 72.5 for the first time (5kg over my own body weight!) and that was VERY hard! lol Its all triceps though No it isnt, benchpressing is chest. and all the other stability muscles in your arms that hold the weight up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuse Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Benching is so much harder than you think its going to be. Its all triceps though, which i have f**k all of. Benchpress is all about the pectorals actually (the chest basically, for those who don't know). The triceps are a secondary muscle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted November 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Benchpress is all about the pectorals actually (the chest basically, for those who don't know). The triceps are a secondary muscle. :S you copied me :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardman Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 RyanIve jsut been doing as many situps as possible without a weight then found out a large folder full of paper is about 1-2 kg so I have been using that as of today. Does that seem ok. Im going to post apic later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Elding Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 I was working on chest tonight. Benchpressed 72.5 for the first time (5kg over my own body weight!) and that was VERY hard! lol I'm sorry but 72.5 isn't hard. It sound to me like you're making it sound so difficult so the uneducated to wieghts see you as superman or something? I've been going to a proper gym for about two weeks now three times a week and i can do 75kg 5ish times. Also the two people i go with on most days can do about the same aswell. Probably due to the fact I've been doing rowing at my school for a year and a half though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Benchpress is all about the pectorals actually (the chest basically, for those who don't know). The triceps are a secondary muscle. Ahem. I now extract from an article i read just last week "12 Steps to a Bigger Bench 1 ? Train the Triceps Years ago, if you had asked Larry Pacifico how to get a big bench, he'd have told you to train the triceps. This same advice applies today. This doesn't mean doing set after set of pushdowns, kickbacks, and other so-called "shaping" exercises. Training your triceps for a big bench has to involve heavy extensions and close-grip pressing movements such as close-grip flat and incline bench presses, close-grip board presses, and JM presses. Various barbell and dumbbell extensions should also be staples of your training program. Don't let anyone try to tell you the bench press is about pec strength. These people don't know the correct way to bench and are setting you up for a short pressing career with sub-par weights. I just read an article in one of the major muscle magazines by one of these authors on how to increase your bench press. The advice given was to train your pecs with crossovers and flies and your bench will go up! This, along with many other points, made me wonder how this article ever got published or better yet, how much the author himself could bench. I believe articles should go under a peer review board before they get printed. I'd like many of my peers to review these authors in the gym or better yet on the bench to see how much they really know. Bottom line: Train the triceps!" Further reading: http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459808 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardman Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 I do flies, didnt realise that was what they were till I heard someone say it today. I dont 3 sets of 10 at 20kg. I thought they would work my chest/shoulder area more so I couldf look wider at the top. I was having a go at 70kg on the bench today and some guy there was impressed that I manged 5 reps, was my last set of 3 so I uped it for that. Something to do with my body weight being 60kg. I coulsnt do 3 sets of 10 at that weight I know that for a fact but its my next goal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deagledaddy Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Are you guys all really short, as sub 70Kg body weight is pretty light, isn't it? Triceps are where its at for lots of things, not only this they also make your upper arm look proportioned properly. I would have said benching is about triceps after the initial raise, the bit where you push out is all triceps.... This is just going on what I remeber feeling weak when i do them etc. hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted November 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I'm sorry but 72.5 isn't hard. It sound to me like you're making it sound so difficult so the uneducated to wieghts see you as superman or something? I've been going to a proper gym for about two weeks now three times a week and i can do 75kg 5ish times. Also the two people i go with on most days can do about the same aswell. Probably due to the fact I've been doing rowing at my school for a year and a half though. LMFAO!!!! :S :P :P :lol: Can you shite do 75kg, your 1 year younger than me, iv seen a pic of you before, your not built at all, and you seriously think you can lift 75kg? Your lifting heavier than your own body weight, weigh yourself, take a picture of you doing 75kg then il beleive you :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Im weighing in at 10 stone 5lbs nowIm about 55kg body weight lol, 55kg is just over 8 stone. And yeah, benching 72.5kg is probably pretty hard, especially for a 15 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted November 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 lol, 55kg is just over 8 stone. And yeah, benching 72.5kg is probably pretty hard, especially for a 15 year old. it is hard lol. Joe is 1 year younger then me aswell... Im 10.13 which is bang on 68KG :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 im 19 and bang on 62kg as of today. If he was maybe 6'6 he might be able to do a heavier weight.. but like i said earlier.. people really need to get in the gym and try something over 50kg to feel how heavy it truley is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardman Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I lied about my weight after Dan said the weighing machine wasnt calibrated properly. Im 10 stone bang on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuse Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I never said triceps weren't involved in bench press, because they are. What I said was that they are a synergist in the exercise, while the pectorals are the target areas. Of course having bigger triceps will help with bench press, just as bigger triceps will help with shoulder presses, but it doesn't mean they are the main muscle involved. You said bench press was all about the triceps, which isn't true. Take it to the extreme, and imagine the hypothetical situation of a guy with enormous triceps and absolutely nothing on the chest (impossible, but it's an extreme example) and he wouldn't be able to bench press hardly anything. Basically the bench press, like many other free weight exercises, is a compound exercise, so it works several muscle groups at once, but in any of these there is usually one major muslce targetted, with the others being synergists or stabilisers. In the bench press the target is the pecs, and the tricpes are synergists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-king Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 im 5'9, and weigh 12 stone my bench record is currently 70kg (last week) managed 5 reps :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonPace Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 it is hard lol. Joe is 1 year younger then me aswell... Im 10.13 which is bang on 68KG :S its 10.7 stone actually.... :P 10.13 is like 64kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted November 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 its 10.7 stone actually.... :P 10.13 is like 64kg I only tryed to work it out in my head at school, im bang on 68KG, so i must be 10.7 stone (i work in kelos mainly) but still, you cant do 75.... :blink: :S Unless its like the trials forum measuring tape LMAO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Elding Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 but still, you cant do 75.... :blink: :S Unless its like the trials forum measuring tape LMAO! FFS I can! 1) you've never seen a pic of me, god knows where you've got that from. 2) you've never even met me nor have any justification that i can't do it. Yes i admit 75kg's difficult for me but if i had been going to a gym for a year like you have i would find it a piec e of piss. I'll get a picture on monday when i next go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMonkey Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 FFS I can! 1) you've never seen a pic of me, god knows where you've got that from. 2) you've never even met me nor have any justification that i can't do it. Yes i admit 75kg's difficult for me but if i had been going to a gym for a year like you have i would find it a piec e of piss. I'll get a picture on monday when i next go in. You're 14, I'm doubting 75kgs, which is like some amount of lbs. But yeah, prove me wrong, but I still doubt it. Unless you got a chest like Pamela Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impacted. Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 You're 14, I'm doubting 75kgs, which is like some amount of lbs. But yeah, prove me wrong, but I still doubt it. Unless you got a chest like Pamela Anderson. f**k me that'd be nice.... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanRs Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 RyanIve jsut been doing as many situps as possible without a weight then found out a large folder full of paper is about 1-2 kg so I have been using that as of today. Does that seem ok. Im going to post apic later thats fine.. but i think maby you shuld use atleast 5kg.. I'm sorry but 72.5 isn't hard. It sound to me like you're making it sound so difficult so the uneducated to wieghts see you as superman or something? I've been going to a proper gym for about two weeks now three times a week and i can do 75kg 5ish times. Also the two people i go with on most days can do about the same aswell. Probably due to the fact I've been doing rowing at my school for a year and a half though. I do 3/4 sets of 12 @ 60kg ... i fort i was only doing 40kg at 1st as i only have 2 x 20kg dumbells on the bar.. but then i found that the bar weighs 20kg on its own! :blink: Rember peops, its not so much on how much weight there is on the bar... its wether you can maintain the 3 sets , keeping the Correct technique.. Bit like pushups... u can have a 100kg backpack strapped to ur back to make em harder, but if you dont no how to do pushups and are one of these people that just tilt there knees, your not gona get anywhere! its much much better to complete 3 sets of 10/12 pushes than to do 2/3 sets of 5 reps! and if half way through say the 2nd set, you find its getin too heavy, lower the weight slightly, or get someone to help you pull the load.. Dont just stop thoo! cos its when ur at this stage, that itsworkin best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 its much much better to complete 3 sets of 10/12 pushes than to do 2/3 sets of 5 reps! no, it isn't. I guarantee I can make anyone here ALOT stronger in 1 month with a simple 5x5 program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I guarantee I can make anyone here ALOT stronger in 1 month with a simple 5x5 program. This is shopping channel fighting talk here people. Ooh yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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