Prawny Baby Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 hey guys.... now that High BB frames have been around a few months, i was wondering what peoples opinions are on them.... we all know that certain people love them, and certain people hate them.... but whats the general thoughts? after noticing how stupidly cheap frames have become lately, ive decided its time for a change. i was all pretty much set on getting an 05 control 1085, until today when i rode southampton.... dan jones was there on his new Echo HiFi, and after telling me that i would probably hate it, i had to have a go, and i absolutely loved it!!!! i really didnt expect to like it after Ali C ditched it so quickly.... but from what i can tell, its a very trials frame, that feels awesome for gaps/taps/sidehops, yet also allows you to bunnyhop and manual really well, despite its 1085 length.... Dan (and another guy there on a HiFi) seemed to think, that the reason people dont like HiFis, is because they are running them with the reccomended High rise stems.... he was running a pazzaz 120x17 degree stem, and his bars (with echo flat bars, 120x17 stem+hifi forks)were infact the same height as mine are on my rexwith a 120x6 stem and pure forks.... yet his bike felt amazing (Y) so now they have been around for a good 6 months or so, what do people think of the new generation of High BB frames>? the HiFi in particular.... im REALLY temped to be differnt and get a HiFi, it just felt awesome! just wanted to get peoples opinions on the whole high bb movement really.... fire away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yet to find a high BB bike I don't like (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 They're amazing Nick (Y) but I wouldn't go as big as a HiFi!! I think thats to big a rise and really narrows down the amount of stuff you can ride on the bike. Either way it wont take you long to get used to it and my PX has improved me no end. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I think you could be right about the bars setup. Adam Read was at back cowm quarry t'other day and I had a go on his bike. I was riding around as normal then remembred that he used to ride the onza proto with the +85bb? I had to look at the bike to see if it was the same one and it was! (Y) I just didnt notice, but he did spend a lot of time making sure he got the perfect bar setup, I really think that makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 spend a lot of time making sure he got the perfect bar setup, I really think that makes a difference. Yeah, I think it makes a huge difference. I used to run a PZ31 120x17 with 20mm spacers, but it was a little too low, so stuck a HiFi stem on with the same spacers, and it's great! You really do NEED to raise the bars up the same amount as the BB rise of the frame (for a good all-round feeling). Gear ratio seems to benefit from a bit of a tweak too - since the rear ends can 'shoot through' more easily, I found that going from 20-17 to 18-15 (slightly harder) felt loads better (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I just got rid of my Hifi, I loved it for gaps sidehops and anything static but when it came to tapping or rolling anything I found it very odd. I also found anytime I was on something I was very unbalanced. I had the hifi stem but never used it as I had no bars to match so I was running brisa bar and stem which is around the 17deg mark. I recently built my hifi up with a mates parts and used the hifi stem with echo flats and I think this combo wouldn't be as good as the brisa's. I am on a control now and it doesn't feel as easy at sidehopping etc but it feels a lot more stable and takes me back to what im used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsking 55 Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 i am only 5'6" and have rode mods for all the time i've been riding and the hi-fi feels absoloutely lush to me - just felt like and exiting more stable and more comfortable mod really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yeah, I think it makes a huge difference. I used to run a PZ31 120x17 with 20mm spacers, but it was a little too low, so stuck a HiFi stem on with the same spacers, and it's great! You really do NEED to raise the bars up the same amount as the BB rise of the frame (for a good all-round feeling). Gear ratio seems to benefit from a bit of a tweak too - since the short rear ends can 'shoot through' more easily, I found that going from 20-17 to 18-15 (slightly harder) felt loads better (Y) thats strange my gearing felt to heavy when i got my toxsin frame, but playing with the bars can make it feel lighter or harder in turn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Ah prawn u beat me to it with this post, (Y) Im in the same position as prawn, after snapping my koxx xtp04, a very gutting point in my trials life! Can we get some more opinions, and possibly some bike/riding pics as well of the hifi? Cheers Guys B) Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 hmm this makes me wonder, should i change my stem setup. does anyone know the size of the vinco stem, and what would be a prefered size? im curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsking 55 Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Can we get some more opinions, and possibly some bike/riding pics as well of the hifi? Cheers Guys (Y) Steve heres a vid starring davetrials http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....topic=62814&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb88 Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Whats the bb rise on echo control frames? im needing a new bar and stem on mine as they are way too low. Feels nice on the back wheel though. at the moment im using a kore stem and tryall bars. Thinking of getting an echo stock stem and onza CF risers. cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 heres a vid starring davetrials http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....topic=62814&hl= I had Dave's old one... after a wee discussion about how he felt on it I left with the feeling he didn't like it. His words were something like 'I couldn't ride it full stop' (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I have to say that when i rode Daves HiFi at the DJ ride in Abingdon it did feel Horrid, it realy wasn't nice (Y) I am one of these High BB frame people, i have the BT6 1100 and with my Echo control forks the BB rise measures in at around 40-45mm, which isn't as extreme as some of the other frames on the market, I absolutly love this bike, I deffiantly agree with Adam about finding a stem that does match the BB rise of the frame, i am running a koxx 130mm 20deg rise stem, which gives a 40mm rise above my previous 5deg rise stem which i used to run, and this deffiantly makes the ride much better, I think to put a stem such as BT's own one with 30deg of rise on would make the front end to high, and make it feel very strange. The Bike is so nice to ride, i have only realy ridden natural on it, which means i am still not as confident with taps on the bike, but they are slowly coming back, Sidehops are much different though, i feel much more confident when lineing up for a sidehop on the BT that i ever did on the T-rex, and once sorted it just seems to shoot straight up. Gaps are something that i had to adapt my yechnique for too, as the High BB makes the frame feel like it wants to loop out when u realy put the power down which means u have to alter slightly to compensate for this, but now i am used to the feel of it i can gap further than i could with my T-rex. For Natural this bike is fantastic, On the backwheel it gives loads of confidence when making moves to small scary rocks where rear wheel precision is important, the high BB doesn't alter the 2 wheel balence either, it is just as easy to balance on 2 wheels as it was on my T-rex, The extra length over my t-rex has also benefitted me, as i sometimes felt crampt on the rex, but on the BT i have yet to feel like i could do with more room. As u have ridden my bike Nick u know how it rides, and how much i love it, I think if u feel comfortable on Dan's HiFi u should deffiantly give it a go, and as they are pretty cheap at the moment, why not, u can always sell it if u don't get on with it. Well, That is my little "praise for high BB frames" essay over with. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose-iow Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 i just built up my kot and its got a 25 degree bb rise, and i love it my riding seems to have improved i feel i have more balance and control so i like high bbs........but not to high (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Definately have a bit of rise, IMO theres very little point having a stock frame with under 20mm BB rise, because it wont affect the ride too much (once you have got used to it), it just has some riding benefits that are there for the taking when choosing a frame- you'd be silly to totally ignore the advantage BB rise gives. As for Dan Jones' bike, yes I have rode it too, and although I am normally a mod man, I think it rides beautifully too. Go for a hifi, choose the spec wisely, and if it feels strange at first, DONT give up on it straight away! Give it a few weeks until you get toally used to it, I'm sure you'll be hooked (pun). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 My control is excellent, i ditched the hifi cos i hate dthe high bar height, i ridden a vinco and wanted to shit on it it was that bad lol not buying another high bb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Stem choice matters a bit I suppose, as the Vinco I've had goes on uses a Hifi stem and Zoo bar, whereas the GU I rode uses a Zoo mod stem and Onza CF riser bar. They both do feel like big mods, but doing static gaps feels very awkward at first, even though backwheel control and hopping feel so comfortable compared to lower BB stocks. If I got used to a high BB stock frame, I'd probably be very impressed by its ride. They're something different at least, just so we get more choice of what kinds of things to do trials riding on. I can imagine high BB frames to be quite comfortable on small techy natural spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 My control is excellent, i ditched the hifi cos i hate dthe high bar height, i ridden a vinco and wanted to shit on it it was that bad lol not buying another high bb. oi thats my bike you talking about lol (Y) i love my vinco and how it rides, yet im just tempted to f**k it off and go low bb again (LIMEY!) so its more conventional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 You really do NEED to raise the bars up the same amount as the BB rise of the frame (for a good all-round feeling). How do you mean raise the bars the same amount as the BB rise? Getting a little confused here..do you mean the angle of the bars?? (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 say 55mm bb rise then have a bar height about 55mm higher than normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex.loves.boys Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 go for the hi-fi teddy. or the bt 6 thatsh what you said you wer gettin (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 How do you mean raise the bars the same amount as the BB rise? If the BB on your new frame is (for example) 50mm higher than on your old frame, then to make it ride properly, you'll need to raise your handlebars by 50mm. A lot of people don't seem to do this - for example, a PZ31 120x17 degree will only offer around 35mm more height (than a 110x5 for example), yet a HiFi has a BB rise of more like 55mm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nafan Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 (edited) Yeah I like the idea I think it's great for the back wheel balancing, shame my parents wouldn't get me the pitbull 06... mmmm..... B) Oh yeah and on the topic of riser stems, I think you should have a high rise stem with a high rise bb, I'm running a promax at the mo but hoping to get an echo hi-fi at some point... Please don't comment on the promax stem, I know its a bit silly B) But it works (Y) Edited October 31, 2005 by nafan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted November 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 go for the hi-fi teddy. or the bt 6 thatsh what you said you wer gettin :P you talking about me al? i was never thinking of getting a bt6! it was a brief possiblity, until i rode bigmans ;) its just TOO long :P it seems that the High BB frames are more popular than i thought! all this praise has certainly convinved me, i think ill be ordering a HiFi as soon as the funds allow! right now im off to call bikedock to sort out a warranty on some forks.... ;) wish me luck! cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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