deadly venom Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 I have been continuing my research on trials parts and I have a question about White Industries freewheels. I have read a lot of good comments about the ENO freewheel but what about the trials freewheel? I realize that one has three pawls and the other has six pawls but is one superior to the other? It is hard to tell because most of the comments I have read are about the regular ENO freewheel and not the trials freewheel. Can someone give me the lowdown? Keep riding, Deadly Venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 I have been continuing my research on trials parts and I have a question about White Industries freewheels. I have read a lot of good comments about the ENO freewheel but what about the trials freewheel? I realize that one has three pawls and the other has six pawls but is one superior to the other? It is hard to tell because most of the comments I have read are about the regular ENO freewheel and not the trials freewheel. Can someone give me the lowdown? Keep riding, Deadly Venom If the comments you have read were on here, they would have most likely been about the trials freewheel. Eno do a few freewheels, two of which are the 36 engagement freewheel and the more robust 72 engagement trials freewheel. They both have the same excellent robustness and build quality, but the 72 ep on has double the pawls (three engage whilst the other three are between engagments, giving you twice as many engagments from the same amount of teeth on the ratchet). The trials freewheel is quite obviously better as it has two times the engagments, and is not that much more expensive than the 36 ep freewheel. As for the reliability, they are amazing, although some people have had bad experiences with them. The good thing is, if it does skip, you only hear it but dont feel it, because the next engagement is only half a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Yeah, the Eno IS the trials one, it's just that they do a Singlespeed and a Heavy Duty version. Tensile freewheels seem to nearly be out though, so you might wanna hold out and think about getting one of them. 60-clicks, no sticking out extractor bosses (it uses a BB tool interface instead) so there's more clearance, lockring threads on opposite to standard freewheels so it won't undo on the front, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Tensile freewheels seem to nearly be out though, so you might wanna hold out and think about getting one of them. 60-clicks, no sticking out extractor bosses (it uses a BB tool interface instead) so there's more clearance, lockring threads on opposite to standard freewheels so it won't undo on the front, etc... Sounds yummy. (N) ENO and White industrys are the same thing. White industys is the company name, and ENO is there range on single speed components (eno being 'one' backwards, ie. one gear). They do two freewheels, the trials 72 EP one and the 36 EP one. I know i'm repeting from a post further but i thought i just say it for fun. (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadly venom Posted October 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 (edited) Thanks for the info! I was not sure which one was better, from your comments it is clear that the trials freewheel is the better choice. Now all I have to do decide between a regular crank or a front freewheel setup. Both systems have equal pros and cons and this makes it difficult to decide. Ride on, Deadly Venom Edited October 24, 2005 by deadly venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsni Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Yeah, the Eno IS the trials one, it's just that they do a Singlespeed and a Heavy Duty version. Tensile freewheels seem to nearly be out though, so you might wanna hold out and think about getting one of them. 60-clicks, no sticking out extractor bosses (it uses a BB tool interface instead) so there's more clearance, lockring threads on opposite to standard freewheels so it won't undo on the front, etc... the opposite threads seems a good idea wonder if it will tighten up instead will be good to have more variety of trials specific freewheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 I wouldn't have thought so? Mainly 'cos it doesn't need much force to undo itself, but it'd need a *lot* of force to crush the spacers up together? Shite quality pic, but you get the general idea. It's a lot shinier than it looks in that pic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadly venom Posted October 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Is the lock ring coming off something that happens frequently or is this something that happens every now and then? Ride on, Deadly Venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Is the lock ring coming off something that happens frequently or is this something that happens every now and then? Ride on, Deadly Venom er, about every 200 yards of freewheeling on my bike. im trying araldite next. anyone got any clues as to how much the tensile freewheel will cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Last i heard was 50 quid :ermm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Tart says around £30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadly venom Posted October 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Poopipe, Every 200 yards!?! That is not very reliable. If I decide to go with a front freewheel for my new stock bike maybe I'll just wait for the new Tensile freewheel that Onzaboymark suggested. Ah the hell with it, I think I'll just spend the extra money and get a set of Middleburns and a Chris King hub. Ride on, Deadly venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Ah the hell with it, I think I'll just spend the extra money and get a set of Middleburns and a Chris King hub. Lol, if you already have the money for them, i thougth you would have suggested them in the first place? lol Poopipe is on about the ACS arnt you? cause they come loose ALL the time, but iv put abit of weld on my lockring, which stops it from unscrewing :ermm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Poopipe, Every 200 yards!?! That is not very reliable. If I decide to go with a front freewheel for my new stock bike maybe I'll just wait for the new Tensile freewheel that Onzaboymark suggested. Ah the hell with it, I think I'll just spend the extra money and get a set of Middleburns and a Chris King hub. Ride on, Deadly venom no, its not. I think I'm one of the unlucky ones though - other people manage a lot better than me with a claw and loctite so definitely try that first. also, coming undone isnt as fatal as it sounds - you just bash the lockring round with an allen key when you get where you're going and you're set for 200 more yards. Also, it doesn't come undone anywhere near as quick if you're actually trialsing - presumably because you don't freewheel as much. The only reasons to go eno are if it skips a lot and you're scared of it or if you think you can justify 80quid on a better feeling through the pedals. I'm hanging out for the tensile freewheel myself - if they ever turn up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadly venom Posted October 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Poopipe, Were you talking about the ACS claws freewheel or were you talking about the ENO Trials Freewheel? Because I thought you were talking about the ENO trials freewheels lock ring coming loose all the time. If the lock ring on the ENO trials freewheel consistently comes loose than it is not a very good design. Terror-error, The reason why I am contemplating going to a front freewheel setup is to lower the cost of my bike build up. The front freewheel setup is less expensive than the Middleburn Chris King setup. If the ENO is reliable I will go with the front Freewheel setup, If it is not I will just have to save up for little while longer and get the Middleburn Chris King setup. Keep riding, Deadly Venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Were you talking about the ACS claws freewheel or were you talking about the ENO Trials Freewheel? The ACS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadly venom Posted October 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Poopipe, I have read many comments about peoples usage of the ACS freewheel and most of them have been bad. This does not surprise me. The ACS freewheel is great for BMX riding but for trials I would not use one and I am new to trials and never been on a trials bike. The constant ratcheting of action of pedal kicking would ruin the internal mechanism rendering it useless after a relatively short time. Stay up, Deadly Venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Poopipe, Every 200 yards!?! That is not very reliable. If I decide to go with a front freewheel for my new stock bike maybe I'll just wait for the new Tensile freewheel that Onzaboymark suggested. Ah the hell with it, I think I'll just spend the extra money and get a set of Middleburns and a Chris King hub. Ride on, Deadly venom The eno dosn't come undone, ever. The acs needs tightening reulary, but you can just simply just put locktitle on it and then it souldn't come undone. deadly venom, ever thought about having the eno on the rear. The eno is strong, but on the rear it'll be even stronger, and then you can get your choice of standard stock cranks with a bashring. You could even use middleburns. Worth a though. They you'll basicly have a chris king setup (same match points) at a much cheaper price. :ermm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadly venom Posted October 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 JT, I keep forgetting that you can put a singlespeed freewheel on the rear on the these types of bikes. When I think of drivetrain setups I keep picturing multiple gearing, I probably should go with a single speed setup. With so many riders with 26 inch bikes using single speed it looks like this is the way to go. Ride that Bike, Deadly Venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 my acs kept loosening off, so i took the lockring off, cleaned the threads on the lockring and freewheel body, applied some threadlock, tightened the lockring up, and left it overnight. after this, it never loosened off again. most people probably slap a big amount of loctite threadlock onto dirty threads, and ride straight away. never works. eno freewheels seem to be pretty good. if you find a decent rear hub, front freewheel is really nice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadly venom Posted October 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Jansons' comment brings a question to my mind. What is the best front freewheel cranks for 26inch bikes? And what is the best fixed rear hub? Keep rolling, Deadly Venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 my acs kept loosening off, so i took the lockring off, cleaned the threads on the lockring and freewheel body, applied some threadlock, tightened the lockring up, and left it overnight. after this, it never loosened off again. most people probably slap a big amount of loctite threadlock onto dirty threads, and ride straight away. never works. eno freewheels seem to be pretty good. if you find a decent rear hub, front freewheel is really nice... Janson's right on pretty much all fronts. You *really* have to clean the threads out properly with Claws to get locktite to work properly, otherwise it'll pretty much come loose straight away. Learn from my mistakes, people :- Got the Tensile freewheel on today, and it feels great. Feels like the Eno, and hasn't skipped once yet. Just feels really solid and nice, which is a plus. 'cos mine are the old-school Tensiles, without the newer freewheel threaded section, I had to put a BB spacer between the freewheel and the crank to take up the tiny space, and it's all good now. But yeah, like I said, if these freewheels end up being £30, I'd definitely buy one if you're wanting something better than an ACS Claw. It feels as good as my Eno, but for less than half the price*. *Obviously when it comes to stripping it down there'll be a difference in that the Tensile is open bearing, so it'll be more fiddly, plus I don't know about the quality comparison of the pawls and springs between the two, but so far it feels really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbra Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 The eno dosn't come undone, ever. The acs needs tightening reulary, but you can just simply just put locktitle on it and then it souldn't come undone. deadly venom, ever thought about having the eno on the rear. The eno is strong, but on the rear it'll be even stronger, and then you can get your choice of standard stock cranks with a bashring. You could even use middleburns. Worth a though. They you'll basicly have a chris king setup (same match points) at a much cheaper price. B) JT you beast you just answered my question :- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadly venom Posted October 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Everyone, Thanks for the info about the freewheels. And no, Locktite will not work correctly if the threads are dirty, so Janson and Onzaboymark are absolutely correct. Stay on, Deadly Venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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