Waynio Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 what ever happened to these 2minute exciting street trials videos????? everyone seems to want to make the longest video possible that takes longer and longer to DL!!!!! look back at all the 2/2.30 min videos and there always the best cos thery keep you on the edge of your seat and wanting more and more............... instead of cramming in so much and spreading it out and repeating stuff in a 6/7min video???? its only my opinion on things but i purely dont DL videos cos i think people make them wayyyyyyyyyy to long, after 3/4 minutes i get bored and cannot be bothered really watching it, UNLESS its like a road trip video where you have different places and completly different lines and different riders etc etc. whats your opinions on things?????? Waynio.................. and one other thing...............most of the topics in trials chat at the moment are very very boring so i thort i would put this one up and maybve everyone can get involved???? share the love!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Morris Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 There aren't as many good videos as there used to be and yes people are spreading the footage a little bit thin, stretching two minutes of footage into a four or five minute video. I'd imagine most people just pick the song, and make the footage work instead of filming and then choosing a song that works. Anyway, I've been a bit of a moany twat in 'Sites, Vids and Pics' already so I'll stop myself now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBProductions Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Yeah I agree with what you say, though there is a need for structured footage, although from time to time a nice long video is welcomed. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 i decided this was the case as well wayne, so for my next video im thinking about 2:20 for a video, hopefully it will work, however the case is that many bands are making songs that are way longer than this stated time 2-2.30 mins, which i would prefer, however, its also a very bad thing if u cut off a song short, i really hate that, in the past i have tried to edit to a bit where the song is essentially the same beat as the end, then trim it down, only once have i done it where no-body noticed (or mentioned they had noticed). but yer i agree. hence im taking that for my target for next street video :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBProductions Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 i decided this was the case as well wayne, so for my next video im thinking about 2:20 for a video, hopefully it will work, however the case is that many bands are making songs that are way longer than this stated time 2-2.30 mins, which i would prefer, however, its also a very bad thing if u cut off a song short, i really hate that, in the past i have tried to edit to a bit where the song is essentially the same beat as the end, then trim it down, only once have i done it where no-body noticed (or mentioned they had noticed). but yer i agree. hence im taking that for my target for next street video :lol: I create my own audio for projects but using the trimming and fading option is a good way of doing it although people might not notice because of there level of attention to detail. Just be happy that you are creating a good movie. Heres a question Ive always wondered , If you're editing is good but youre riding a bit poor is it more than likely people will slate you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 SAK the song, its the riding that is more important aint it???? stepehen i totally agree with you mate and if i was you i wouldnt be having to sghut yourself up. i think you have a good point. i think the longer videos just drag out too much. but its nice to see other people see it like i am seeing it, altho surely some people must see the benefits from the longer videos??? or they wouldnt be made would they???? im going to try get a vid banged together from next week and if the sod goes over 2minutes or more i will make sure it doesnt il cut the end off!!! haha. i just feel that you make the riding work and the editing and not worry about the song as much, some people do like to make the songs fit in well with the riding but surely people are then like getitng into the song rather than the riding????? or am i wrong? :lol: lol sorry i just want to see it from the "darkside" which = longer video orientated people??? Waynio....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) again, im a generally (what wayne is classing as) long video maker, but i can see clearly where he is coming from as for example andrewt's - vincent in colorado video - should be long, so much footage, and vince is truly f**king awesome, everyone wants to see this boy ride, and andyt is the f**king daddy of video's (if i may say so) mike (leedstrials) - roadtrip 05 - funkin awesome video, always phyc's (sp?) me up, but for differnt reasons for andyt's, this has numerous riders, of good ability, but doesnt become boring, because there is so many style's in there. so these as my examples of a well worked long video, and the reasons why, but if for an example a newmember who has been riding 3months makes a video that last's 5 mins, it generally would be pretty crappy as the level of riding isnt as high, (no offence to anyone, not aimed at anyone either). So you are very right (IMO) in the fact that video's are becoming much longer, i would say i dont tend to have long video's that are constant repetition, correct me if u feel i am wrong! most people who make long video's are using spare footage, both old and new, and this tends to create a longer video at least thats what happened on my bencoust4.mov video. Repetition is really bad in my opinion, it ruins the aura of a video (neil tunni's new video, too many rail gaps, i would say) but on the other hand it depends on the quality. i say, lets move back to the new less time video's and get lots more produced, especially this winter. ben EDIT: INTERESTINGLY, NOT WANTING THIS TO BE A DIG OR SOUND LIKE ONE, BUT HOW LONG WAS YOUR 'LITTLEWING' VIDEO WAYNE, THAT WAS FAIRLY LONG CORRECT???????? :lol:. U LOVE IT (Y) Edited October 21, 2005 by ben@hulltrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 haha, did littlewing actually get onto TF????? that should have been 2seperate vids you see as there was 2 different pieces of music to it if its the one im thinking of???? there was a street and a natural section werent there???? but yes i think littlewing was like 4/5minutes i dont make vids you see, i have all the ideas but am CRAP! with computers at editing etc etc. but this is when i realised just how good the likes of alex richardson is to produce such well edited videos and stuff. and i would rather sort of be kool about it and talk to him when making vids and stuff but all the idea from the new vid he is doing we have had long discussions about and i have had alot more involvement in it. just as an example, when alex put up "roadtrippin" of me and him when we visited porthcawl 2 years ago or summit, that was on of my fave videos cos alex had made it that all the riding was entertaining and kept you wanting to watch more and more????? we need some of the old TK videos back just so we can use them as examples etc etc. can you remember when people used to wait up till the early hours of the morning for when james hyland had uploaded the new TK vids!!!! god them were the days man................ Waynio........................ and ben yuor vid points are very valid and its kool to look at it from both sides and aspects, there must be more people on here who actually have an opinion about this???? no one is going t get flamed or abused its a discussion that needs imput from everyone so we can see what people want. etc etc. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) I think somewhere i posted something about this to do with the trialskings videos. I watched the whole lot the other day and was f**king amazing to realise that most of them are sub 3 minute videos.. but they just seem to go on and on and you dont get bored for a second. Theres none of this bullshit setup its just move after move. Even now there level of riding cant be achieved by over 50% of the people on this forum which is ridiculous considering how old the vids are. Oh also as of a semi modern video.. not sucking cock here but that video with you wayne, tra and danny smith was a perfect length and everything about it was just great i used to watch it constantly. I cant remember the name it had a song by finch i think (not the tra england vid but was filmed at the same time) its the one where you go something like "its like riding a donkey". Edited October 21, 2005 by Spacemunkee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBProductions Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Well I wouldnt mind any feedback on what people would say if the editing and video work was spot on but the riding a little poor ? Cheers Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_skj0lsvik_ Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I coudnt have agreed more, everybody should start making 2-3min vids... Not like 7-8min with only one silly rider : ) Well, thats just my opinion! But, I`m not saying that all long vids are ALL BAAAAD... Those films to andrew are all good, but I`m bored of them now. Watched them too fecking much.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) I agree, Long videos are annoying. Fatmikes new one I think is perfect! Its not short like an advert, but not long enough to fall asleep. Ace! BUT there are times when you really want to show others whats happening. Such an example is the indoor bike battle we held. I made the video (over so many days :lol: ) But even at 10 minutes long I only fitted in half of the stuff that happened. I nearly forgot to put in Tim's one handed gaps (Y) So when Its like a big event then I can understand the need for long video. If its just a "me video" then there is no need for hours and hours. Uch making me feel tired now (Y) EDIT: Good topic wayne, 2 hours and 11 replies already (Y) Edited October 21, 2005 by PaRtZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Also a great example of a good video that doesnt get boring is that bloke on the vinco ( the vid crossed over from OTN) Also felix's silent videos never bore me, but thats just down to pure smoothness. Big events = long videos Everyday rides = short/packed full of moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 i would say this all depends on the rider and style ( for me this is ) i could watch andrew t koxx videos all day, sure they are long yet they contain little repetation with a subtle soundtrack and editing. the same with tra vids and the cousts, they are exciting riders and contiunly amaze you during the video. im guessing people will slate tunni and cls for their videos for the repetion and flashy editing but the level of riding certainly compenstates for this and the fast aggressive editing and music suits their fast agressive riding. the repeats also help your brain catch up on the crazy moves being pulled. Most of the videos i download of here i watch then delete, most follow the same format, Big yet not well executed moves lots of repetion, flashy editing and heavy music that doesnt suit the riding, in the atempt to creat videos like the two zoo riders mentioned above. these videos dont have the same shock/amazment factor of the top riders pushing the boundaries of the sport that keep you glued to your moniter expecting more, so become boring. take for example craig lee scott, his 8 min long videos that contain sidehope gap drop etc should in theory be boring, yet they are not. each move is amazing and makes you look again ( his repeats come in handy) to see if what you saw was right. but if a lesser rider made exactly the same video with half the size gaps sidehops etc you would quickly become bored as the shock and excitment factor is not there long videos are great if the ridings exciting and impressive, the riding suits the longer format. but on the average and above average ability videos the length becomes boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Funny that this topic pops up as i post a 5 minute video :lol: Anyway, it is a really good topic of discussion Wayne! I really feel that way too many videos are cut too loosely. I don't really mind how long the video is if it is move after move, hardly any setup time or post move recovery and no repetition of moves. Nearly all the videos I've seen have this to some degree. I have to disagree with you when you say the song is not very important. In my books the song is one of the most important aspects of the video and if the footage isn't timed to the song then it just turns to shit. It is a well documented fact that people prefer editing cuts to occur on the beat, just look at music video clips! Again, looking the music video clip genre, people should experiment with camera movement. I've gone through the tripod stage and it works sometimes and can't be helped if you are filming yourself but if the camera is moving it can make everything a hell of a lot more interesting, as long as the filmer can hold the camera steady! You have to think, why are you filming it? video cameras are for capturing motion so why not use them for that? Also, trials in it's most pure form is pretty plain. you see people gap to a wall and drop off the other side. why not try to turn around on the wall to keep it interesting and worth seeing. everyone has seen drops off 5ft walls a million times so it is almost pointless leaving the drop in after the main part of the line has been completed. try different things when riding! I've forgotten what else i was going to say but hopefully that wasn't pointless gibber.] I just thought of one more thing to do with music. because trials is often fairly slow, you would think slow paced music would suit it well to match it. I think slightly faster music creates an illusion that trials is more exciting than perhaps it really is. what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 My favorite video ever is Andy T's koxx days 11 minuet beast although he did cram alot into that vid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 yo alexm i hope this hasnt put you off, but i will be downloading your video geeza!!!!!! it was just in general when i look at the sites vid and pics there just way too long i cant be arsed waiting an hour to dl a feking video that im going to get bored of, i know that some videos are exciting and are worth being that little bit longer, like some of the canberra vids there so relaxing and worth downloading yet just as an example i dont wanna seem to be having a go here like BUT, the trials kings and some of the trials riders videos seemed to be about right length wise, but yet like cap has made a couple of videos l8ly and i have enjoyed them but i feel with a shorter song and get it into a smaller space it would be so much better, just pick the best bits of all the riding it would look awesum. also videos say 5-10minutes drag out and mkae you wanna fall asleep especially IF the cideo is of one rider, if the video has like a group ride in it with maybe 3/4 different riders it would be so much more applicable to me and make me want to watch it more, a prime example of this is the select bikes videos where they do the group rides and all the riders are there one sticks in my mind with CLS Tunni Phil and i think porter is in it too. thats ok as a longer video as you can see each different rider takes a different approach to each line and such forth????? nice to have so much feedback and people really getitng in the mood to sound there opinions. keep em coming boyz. Waynio.................... the idea of this is that next week when i come back i will give the footage i film of sunday,monday, tuesday and wednesday i will possibly host a video of 3/4 riders, and maybe make it 3-5minutes long??? as long as the footage used is good enough. but i may try cram it into like 3minutes instead of trying to go to 5minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Funny that this topic pops up as i post a 5 minute video :D I know this is the wrong thread, but that vids ace. But the reason why its good is because you haven't filmed anyone for more than 5 seconds, all the moves are explosive, fast and impressive. It never gets boring because you're never watching the same rider do the same stuff over and over again Plus I think your editing is hot (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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