craigjames Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) right i used to ride an azonic evo2 set up for dirt/street, but i dont really ride it any more. i used to be able to manual and bunnyhop it like a beast. now i bought a saracen 04 team, no laughing please, tis my first trials bike. ive bin pleased with it so far, and bonus it hasnt snapped yet (touch wood). ive improved loads with side hops and stuff on the rear but i cant manual or bunnyhop it for s*:T!! is it me or is the bike geo/set-up? its got completely standard kit on it. any help with technique or bits that would make it a bit easier for the streety stuff just wanna be able to do hop ups to manuals again!! chars blad (Y) Edited October 21, 2005 by curly_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 It's the bike. It'll be longer, with a longer stem and lower bars. Don't worry about it, you just have to adjust your technique. You could buy a shorter stem and riser bars if you're that worried, but that'll have a detrimental effect on your pure trials riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 It has a nasty backend, Far to looooooong. I had one for a year, complaining constantly, get a planet-x if you want to do streety manuals and stuff, or if you have the money a leeson? But I wouldn;t worry about it really, just keep practising and remember to keep your weight over the rear axle. I find that helps, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) well i wouldnt say i have a pure trials style, i do a lot of taps and spins but with a mix of sidehops and 'real' trials moves!! i was thinkin bout gettin some zoo or bt risers, the bt's seem pretty narrow compared to the flat bars i have at the mo but the zoo's dont have that much rise. oh i forgot to say the azonic was 24" anyone know when the zoot is out and how much as it seems pretty spot on for what i want? yeah i do find i have to keep my weight well over the wheel to be able to get the front up for hos/taps/attempted manuals. like i said am lookin to get a 24" as im only 5'9" and i think a shorter bike would suit my style and my size cheers are there any other option apart from the curtis and leeson for 24? Edited October 21, 2005 by curly_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) well i wouldnt say i have a pure trials style, i do a lot of taps and spins but with a mix of sidehops and 'real' trials moves!! i was thinkin bout gettin some zoo or bt risers, the bt's seem pretty narrow compared to the flat bars i have at the mo but the zoo's dont have that much rise. oh i forgot to say the azonic was 24" anyone know when the zoot is out and how much as it seems pretty spot on for what i want? yeah i do find i have to keep my weight well over the wheel to be able to get the front up for hos/taps/attempted manuals. like i said am lookin to get a 24" as im only 5'9" and i think a shorter bike would suit my style and my size cheers are there any other option apart from the curtis and leeson for 24? Zoo! bars and stem would be a great start. And MBUK said the ZOOT should be between 400-450 quids. And updates at supercycles.com EDIT: supercycles is down, if you click on the link you will see. Edited October 21, 2005 by ash-kennard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 that seems a bit of a bargain, shame ive already got some of the bits. does anyone know the price of the frame at all, because its guaranteed it will be!! ive bin lookin at the zoo! stuff but do i really need to change both the bar and stem? ive got my stem with about 1.5-2"s of stackers underneath, would i not just get away with the bars. i had a quick ride on the azonic and it fealt really weird, but id didnt mind the fact that the bars were about 6 inches wide!! just want that snappy handling back! oh well mebs its a new bike for christmas!! cheers (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I really doubt you can make a saracen 04 feel, 'snappy'. I tried and failed. Bought something shorter instead. You don't have to buy both, it was just a suggestion. But as someone posted before, buying wider/better bars is the closest you can get to buying skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 that seems a bit of a bargain, shame ive already got some of the bits. does anyone know the price of the frame at all, because its guaranteed it will be!! ive bin lookin at the zoo! stuff but do i really need to change both the bar and stem? ive got my stem with about 1.5-2"s of stackers underneath, would i not just get away with the bars. i had a quick ride on the azonic and it fealt really weird, but id didnt mind the fact that the bars were about 6 inches wide!! just want that snappy handling back! oh well mebs its a new bike for christmas!! cheers (Y) Whats the geo on the saracen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) im not trying to buy skill, just tryin to make the learnin curve easier. if youve tried to make one snappy and failed then i wont go throwin money away and tryin. i mean ive only ha biked the for bout 3 months and having improved no end on the rear im just tryin to combine the techniques and skills i had before. i dont know the geo on tha saracen, anyone know the exact figures, cause it help me too. cheers for all the advice Edited October 21, 2005 by curly_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc Lovin Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Zoo! bars and stem would be a great start. And MBUK said the ZOOT should be between 400-450 quids. And updates at supercycles.com EDIT: supercycles is down, if you click on the link you will see. Supercycles is not down. You put .com not .co.uk (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 ahh, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseface Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 the bike. steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 the bike. steve. Wow, very helpful there :lol: Ids say it was the bike; you probably need something a bit shorter, maybe something like a Planet X as stated before, or maybe a 24”? Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 try pulling up harder, dont worry about looping out as you have a good back brake (i hope (Y) ) anyway keep yur legs bent, as the front end drops pump your legs out forward, the front end will rise, rebend your legs, when the front end drops again repeat. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 on my saracen mad 04 i could manual realy good, it could be sice you moved from your azonic you havnt been manualing much :lol: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 tis true havnt been manualling much because ve been doing so much practice at gaps and rear wheels moves. think am gonnna get some risers as i think i want the front a bit higher any way. so nobody knows bout the zoot like when its gonne be out then, bin searchin everywhere and i cant really find much. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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