Mr Motivator Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Idea to make some money.. Sell my CK classic with HD axle, steel driveshell, funbolts and ISIS RS7s with Ti bash and get new Echo cranks, viz rear fixed hub and an eno. Worth it? What are the viz hubs like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipkickbs Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 i would never change to ffw "click, BANG, click, BANG!!!" id go busking instead >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexymike Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 yer i will Never sell my king, if i did it wud be to buy something similar, like the new echo hubs with 72 engagements or something. FFW suck in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 i would never change to ffw "click, BANG, click, BANG!!!" id go busking instead >_< Not that I'm gonna call you completely ignorant or anything, but how many Eno FFW setups have you tried? Mine doesn't go "click bang click bang", and if fact works pretty much perfectly. Amazingly solid engagement, and a super nice feel in general. If you've only ever tried ACS Claws for a FFW system, don't base a judgement on that. I had to go back to a Claw when I had to buy a new lockring for my Eno, and it was terrible. However, the Enos are utterly amazing. If FFW's good enough for Kenny Belaey, Vincent Hermance, Benito Ros, etc. etc., then I'm pretty sure it's not a case of "Click bang click bang"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipkickbs Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Yea, pretty much every ffw iv tried has been acs or eno, and i dont know what was going on with the eno but there was a lot of 'click banging' going down, and agreed, acs sorta let down the whole ffw team >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Yea, pretty much every ffw iv tried has been acs or eno, and i dont know what was going on with the eno but there was a lot of 'click banging' going down, and agreed, acs sorta let down the whole ffw team >_< If the person hadn't serviced the freewheel when they first had it, there's a strong chance there's a shitload of thick grease in it. I didn't do mine for ages, and it went really quiet and skipped a bit, but then I just opened it up and cleaned it all out, 'cos the thick grease from the sealed bearings oozes out onto the pawls. However, just strip 'n' clean after 3 weeks of having it usually sorts that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Not that I'm gonna call you completely ignorant or anything, but how many Eno FFW setups have you tried? Mine doesn't go "click bang click bang", and if fact works pretty much perfectly. Just because your ENO is ok, that ain't a reason for Sam to chuck his King and downgrade. I can't see any advantage in FFW, it just seems like a load of crap from the trials bike manufacturers that seems to sell for one reason or another. I mean I can't believe you are considering changing from King + Burns to Echo cranks and ENO. Bloody madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I don't really recall telling him to throw his King on the fire or anything? I was just saying that Enos work, and work well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I don't really recall telling him to throw his King on the fire or anything? I was just saying that Enos work, and work well? ah, but does the lockring come undone every 200yds like on a claw? ...still not convinced i want to fork out 80quid for a freewheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Mine hasn't. I got mine for £60 too. You can get Enos way cheaper from non-official importers new. Just ask around a bit. Either way, I was sceptical (in fact when the Eno was announced I said it'd be shit. Ah well >_<) about spending so much on a freewheel, but they're well, well worth it. The difference between an Eno and an ACS Claw is massive. I know everyone doesn't believe it, but to be honest, I had to go back to a Claw from an Eno for a few days and it was terrible. It skipped all the time, made a knocking noise, came loose all the time, and was just shite. The Enos dominate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 60 quid's a bit more like it - thats the fancy trials one i take it ? cos they do a cheaper one I've heard nothing about. and they definitely dont come undone as much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 They do a "singlespeed" version which is 36 engagements, but still sealed bearing, etc. (so it'd be like an ACS Claw that wasn't complete dogwank). Still the same solid feel, etc. They also do the "Heavy duty" version which is the 72 engagement one. 36 ratchet bits on the driveshell, 6 pawls engaging 3 at a time, so yeah, all good basically. Amazingly easy to strip too, 'cos it all just stays put, and doesn't fly out/spill everywhere or anything like that. Mine's staying done up tight now, basically. I think it came loose once when I first had it, but that's about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb88 Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Keep your king! Mine is awesome i absolutely love it ^_^ . No point in going FFW and getting a weaker freewheel system that you cant service as easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Drewery Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 I was considering front freewheel too a while ago because I kept going through hope hubs quite quickly (I’m not a heavy rider at all). I knew that the pros used them with what seemed like no problems at all and so I very nearly converted to front freewheel. I even asked Matt Staples and some other people through PM’s what their front freewheel set-up was like, and most of them said it was really good and that they would recommend it. However most people overall said that they have had problems with their constantly coming loose (unless you spot-weld the lock ring on) or that they have skipped on them from time to time and so I decided against it. I saw a cheap Chris king wheel on ebay and have never considered any other set-up since. I wouldn’t bother if I were you. ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swize Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Ive run a number of freewheels in my time Dicta, ACS And ENO. The Eno hands down beats all of them. It only ever once skipped on me riding trials but cycling along it was a little bitch. Yes it had been serviced and it did stop skipping as much as it did but it still skpped. I now have a profile that i got off here for £100 and have never looked back on freewheels. My advice stick with the king its really worth it and you have alredy payed £xxx amount out for a king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 They do a "singlespeed" version which is 36 engagements, but still sealed bearing, etc. (so it'd be like an ACS Claw that wasn't complete dogwank). Still the same solid feel, etc. They also do the "Heavy duty" version which is the 72 engagement one. 36 ratchet bits on the driveshell, 6 pawls engaging 3 at a time, so yeah, all good basically. Amazingly easy to strip too, 'cos it all just stays put, and doesn't fly out/spill everywhere or anything like that. Mine's staying done up tight now, basically. I think it came loose once when I first had it, but that's about it... Where did you get your lockring from as my brother/ricky b, snapped one of the teeth off his eno through misuse (lets say). The teeth replaceable or are they stupidly priced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIX Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 I would be against FFW. The ones I have seen have skipped quite often. No I have never ridden one but I can still observe. And in your case your thinking of changing from 2 of the best bike parts ever made, middleburn cranks and a chris king hub. You need some money and I think you could make the change you suggest and ride with it ok. But I suggest against it and I personally would never run FFW. Plus you loose the extra engagement from the ratio of chain ring to sprokect, which in most cases gives rear kings 108 eg points. The only reason all the pro's run them is because they all ride for koxx, or onza who happen to make FFW cranks and stuff. Plus they get new ones regularly. Last I heard Vince was running an acs claw. You cant tell me there good just cos Vince runs one ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nick Riviera Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 he runs 16-14 anyway so its not like he can whinge about clearance if it aint broke , dont fix it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 If FFW's good enough for Kenny Belaey, Vincent Hermance, Benito Ros, etc. etc., then I'm pretty sure it's not a case of "Click bang click bang"? Belaey: Fixed sprocket up front, Edco Hub. Hermance: Tightens his ACS every few minutes. Benito: Dunno, probably the same! There's no logical reason to get rid of your King. The weight is no different, it more engagements (at the pedals), is stronger, and more durable. Don't change unless you really need the extra £75 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 FFW is not all "click bang". I ran an ACS on the crank for a year. NEVER skipped. Then replaced it as I broke the cranks, with a new ACS, worked for about 6-7 months with only ONE skip. Then I went for a king, because I wanted a rear hub with round bearings for once, having used a locked out deore hub on the back. King has skipped a fair few times, but meh. FFW is cool as shit, but I don't want to sell my King because I like the colour and the fact that it stays put in the frame (hd axle). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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