FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 there are some pictures on the koxx website, if you go to www.koxx.co.uk then to the french site then to "galleries" on the right hand side there is a column with a gallery of me in there, see if i dress like a chav and if i ride my bike like one :P you told me to fix your brake ali :P i hit it with a big hammer a few times and now its well fixed!!! all i gotta do is remember to take it to the next trial for you. akriggs style is "independant" to himself, i ride with him so i am influenced to ride like him but i could not replicate anything he does cos he has a certain way of going about how he does things a way that no other rider will ever be able to do. amen! i shud have a video out on here at some point, so you could possibly watch that if you young fellows wish to. also to let you all know its a good job you werent at the cycle show in london on sunday after the indoor trial had finished!!!! there was like 4/5 lunatics throwing their bikes over a wall and into bushes!!!!! that is suicidal man. altho it did seem a good larf and i couldnt stop laffing for about half an hour like. Waynio......................... Did you set the courses out at the last tykes trial???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 (edited) yes i did................... :P why???? did you go to the comp???? do you want the sections making harder or easier??? :P i was pretty pissed off last time cos i started setting out at 4.30pm and was there till 7pm!!!! ad only marked 5 of the 7 sections out. Waynio.......................... edit: I'd call him a boyracer more than anything haha. VW Golf TDI. Mad b*****d. no way a boy racer i just like nice cars. i had to save up soooooooo much money for that car. and the insurance. and it aint a chav car! :P its fast when you need it to be, but iv wanted a golf for 2 years now, specially the GT TDI ever since i had a go in one of the 150bhp ones. there so comfortable and rapid when you need the speed. Edited October 20, 2005 by Waynio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 (edited) yes i did................... :P why???? did you go to the comp???? do you want the sections making harder or easier??? :P i was pretty pissed off last time cos i started setting out at 4.30pm and was there till 7pm!!!! ad only marked 5 of the 7 sections out. Waynio.......................... I rid expert and found it hard....Ive only competed 3 or 4 times like but....That was over 2 year ago..Been out 2 years and was suprised at how hard it was. (Not to mention sec 4!!)I had to retire with back pains AGAIN....as usual..I ride street all the time but ride some natural...I found that almost everyone had these new style comp bikes which seemed much easier to ride in that kinda situation, so Ive been looking at getting a new frame now..BUT, people on here say "Oh they are no good for you" What do you think? You can read the rundown in this post about the bike I ride etc etc etc. Been trying to get some good info and dvise about what I should do... Heres what I said last week..... someone said a short frame 1065 or sumet would be ok...Not sure... with a shorter back, and a riser bar with a 90mm ten degree rise stem it should feel fine for quick twisty moves, backwheel 360s, front wheel pivots, what about hop up manuals etc?? short back end should be good right?? What Id like is a bike with a wheel base of around 1055/1065 not sure if 1065 would be too long? I ride 1040 now, pashley. a shorter back end to help on the back wheel, around 380/385 a headangle that gives a long top tube of around 22,5" ish maybe longer, dont know what angle would giv that, a bb height that aint too mad, +10mm rise max, or 0 even better with a short snappy feel but room for me to feel comfortable??? HELP!! Oh and Im 6'4 and have an aggressive style...I ride a pashley 26mhz now and have done since 2000...wheelbase about 1040 which is short for my height and think it might be cramping my style so to speak..Im on my 3rd....I fancy a change and think it might help Edited October 20, 2005 by FLATOUTSTYLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 (edited) dude!!!!! i remember you, you were on the old skool pashley?? and you were quite near me in all the ques werent you??? you were with your girlfriend ye??? right personally from this year, id say the bike that would suit you most out of the koxx range would be the levelboss 1065, which when built has a wheelbase of 1070mm, short back end and was great for manouverbility. taps and stuff were made so much easier yet it still felt really short in the cockpit. like your pashley, it will feel short and flicky, the levelboss does feel like this yet only has a longer wheelbase due to the headangle. the new style bikes help more, if you look at what was incompetitions a few years ago to whats in them now, for example when you rode 2/3 years ago, the expert and elite routes wouldnt have had like huge sidehops and tap ups and like hooks on rocks and stuff, with new bikes this is all made easier and feels easier to do therefore, some one on a shorter streetier bike will struggle more than someone on a slightly longer bike with slacker head angle. its weird, but please trust me, from 1 year of riding like longer bikes it has been an experience that i wont go back on, im actually not going back to a short bike unless i use one on the side as well as a longer bike. Waynio........................ if your at the next tyke trial just have a go on my belaey and you will see what i mean, my belaey is a 1080 wheelbase yet still feels short in the cockpit and doesnt feel as long as it is............its really weird EDIT: if your 6ft 4 and bunnyhopping is important to you then a 1065 levelboss is what you need, the new style of things means that pedaling at things in time and momentum and syncronisation is more part of how things work and a "LONG" bike of say over 1080 is usually harder to bunnyhop as you have to pull up sooner, i had an 1100 levelboss and it bunnyhopped but it was delayed you had to pull up sooner than normal, but with the 1100 i could pedal at more and more things and do things better than bunnyhopping them. its weird, easier to explain in person kinda thing. Edited October 20, 2005 by Waynio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 (edited) Me on the pashley yeah, I felt so shite after that day, a 3 hour drive down on sat, pay for hotel, payed a full membership to enter, acu too! £80 it cost in total+ petrol !! Got there, felt shit, rid a few, make a pigs breakfast of them, tried again, I just couldnt get into it. Ive always felt reluctant to get started in comps, it dont suit my style really. Ive been having real bad back problems for 12 months which is made worse by riding. Thats ongoing anyways. b*****d back.....:P ............Anway, I just think I will feel more at home on a longer bike, but, a shorter version if you get me. I dont like the new levelboss with that weird Z seat tube thing, looks crap....Do you know where I can get last years frame? Also do you know the geo of the new one???? stays, toptube length, head angle etc....Cant find it anywhere, I aint goin to the next comp, dob bloody park, never rid there but my mates said its shitty, wet, and...ermmmmm muddy..... Fek that......Long way to go to feel like a total waste of time...Maybe next year.... On my comp bike huh :P I never ever do front wheel taps or shit like that, rather just bunnyhop up BANG..no messin.....I love hop up mauals, front wheel 180/360 stuff..... Leech style......... Hard to describe what I ride but.....will give you an idea of what bike to advise cheers m8 Edited October 20, 2005 by FLATOUTSTYLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Me on the pashley yeah, I felt so shite after that day, a 3 hour drive down on sat, pay for hotel, payed a full membership to enter, acu too! £80 it cost in total+ petrol !! Got there, felt shit, rid a few, make a pigs breakfast of them, tried again, I just couldnt get into it. Ive always felt reluctant to get started in comps, it dont suit my style really. Ive been having real bad back problems for 12 months which is made worse by riding. Thats ongoing anyways. b*****d back.....:P ............Anway, I just think I will feel more at home on a longer bike, but, a shorter version if you get me. I dont like the new levelboss with that weird Z seat tube thing, looks crap....Do you know where I can get last years frame? Also do you know the geo of the new one???? stays, toptube length, head angle etc....Cant find it anywhere, I aint goin to the next comp, dob bloody park, never rid there but my mates said its shitty, wet, and...ermmmmm muddy..... Fek that......Long way to go to feel like a total waste of time...Maybe next year.... On my comp bike huh :P cheers m8 the old one is harder to bunnyhop that the new 1, i sugest the new 1(i had an old 1) wayne prefered the new 1 for street too, ignore the looks, who cares what it luks like if it rides nice, :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 hahaha dob park is best venue ever. cos you get to go swimming..........for FREE!!!! Fred Savage may have an old frame lying around some where. if you wish me to find out i will?????as i will be speaking to fred at some point in the next couple of days. keep the positive thinking buddy and yuo'll get through it. dont worry about things as much, i never do i just keep trundling along and making things add up. it keeps me going i tell you. wouldnt sacrifice trials for anything!!!! its probably the one thing that actually keeps me sane!!!! haha Waynio....................... il find you out GEO and stuff tomoz and post it in here. speak l8rz dude, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 (edited) hahaha dob park is best venue ever. cos you get to go swimming..........for FREE!!!! Fred Savage may have an old frame lying around some where. if you wish me to find out i will?????as i will be speaking to fred at some point in the next couple of days. keep the positive thinking buddy and yuo'll get through it. dont worry about things as much, i never do i just keep trundling along and making things add up. it keeps me going i tell you. wouldnt sacrifice trials for anything!!!! its probably the one thing that actually keeps me sane!!!! haha Waynio....................... il find you out GEO and stuff tomoz and post it in here. speak l8rz dude, Nice 1...I had a great email of my idol Ryan Leech and it REALLY helped me, a lot....But these bloody back problems really get me down man............I wana go out and ride, but because Ive been off it for 2 years, I find it hard, and when I push I start to hurt...Jezez...trials man.... keep you sane and drives you mad..... www.kissthechainring.com thats my site..hava ganzee..nowt really there.. want decent photos up there.. they r just the most recent I have... Shots of me surfing on Fistral last month on the news page The new echo control any good??? I really like the look of it, but have no idea how it will ride.... ? Edited October 20, 2005 by FLATOUTSTYLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Have a mug of foaming brown ale Wayne - damn, that's the second one I've given out now. Porter, there's one for you aswell. Three in one night, f**king hell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Anyone know where I can get a 2004 26" Levelboss frame in short wheelbase??????????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 (edited) Anyone know where I can get a 2004 26" Levelboss frame in short wheelbase??????????????????????????????? Guess I will consider the new 1 then...and the weird Z seat tube thing, looks weird...But if people say it rides nice then i should be kool for me. I dont like straight blade forks so I dont really want to make the wheelbase any longer with a raked fork??? Edited October 20, 2005 by FLATOUTSTYLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Pures look crap though, I cant believe that the geo makes that much diff in terms of what moves u can do on the bike If you don't think geo matters, why is this your 5th or 6th topic about which frame to buy for street :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Zoo pitbull 2005 size-1060 Echo Control 2005 size-1065 Koxx Levelboss 2005 size-1065 Which one??? You know what I want it for, so which one, short stem on, should work for me???? Opinions please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) Guess I will consider the new 1 then...and the weird Z seat tube thing, looks weird...But if people say it rides nice then i should be kool for me. I dont like straight blade forks so I dont really want to make the wheelbase any longer with a raked fork??? a bent/curvy fork doesn't increase the wheelbase, all forks have rake. they are all good frames, check out http://www.iseepeople.co.uk and see a mate of mine attempting a 360 (on a pitbull) down a big set of stairs, he fell off that time ... haha just get a bike and ride it Edited October 21, 2005 by leedstrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lankyri Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 id say a lesson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 the Z style seat tube as you put it adds stiffness to the rear trianangle as someone has said i think it was chris hayton that the old levelboss does not ride any where near the new one due to its stiffness the new levelboss is so much stiffer and more responsive. the thicker plates at the bottom brakcet also add to the stiffness factor too. Waynio...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 a bent/curvy fork doesn't increase the wheelbase, all forks have rake. they are all good frames, check out http://www.iseepeople.co.uk and see a mate of mine attempting a 360 (on a pitbull) down a big set of stairs, he fell off that time ... haha just get a bike and ride it Well it does on my bike, I have pashley forks on but USEs make it shorter and they are staright bladed, it felt horrible so I took them off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) the Z style seat tube as you put it adds stiffness to the rear trianangle as someone has said i think it was chris hayton that the old levelboss does not ride any where near the new one due to its stiffness the new levelboss is so much stiffer and more responsive. the thicker plates at the bottom brakcet also add to the stiffness factor too. Waynio...................... Obiously you will advise koxx as you ride for them. I have 3 contenders; Zoo pitbull 2005 size-1060 Echo Control 2005 size-1065 Koxx Levelboss 2005 size-1065 Im looking into the koxx trying to find some geo, I think the longer stays would suit as it closer to what I ride now The 05 zoo at £279 is tempting. The pics of the guy trying a 360 proves you can do street style stuff on them with the right bar and stem set up.ie shorter stem..Echos also £279 but has 20mm bb rise so I think thats out of the running (Y) and the koxx is the highest price at £400..... (Y) Just spotted on select bikes that the bb rise is only 10mm on the 05 control, seems to be all kinds of geo flying around that aint right...Bottom bracket: 68mm / 10mm higher a bent/curvy fork doesn't increase the wheelbase, all forks have rake. they are all good frames, check out http://www.iseepeople.co.uk and see a mate of mine attempting a 360 (on a pitbull) down a big set of stairs, he fell off that time ... haha just get a bike and ride it I have a bike and I do ride it, only it might be better on sumet fresh...May give my riding a kick up tha a$$, get me back into it again...Does your mate bunnyhop, manual and hop up manual on his zoo??????????? Thats 3 things I wouldnt wana stop doing if I changed frames... Edited October 21, 2005 by FLATOUTSTYLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Out of those three I'd get the Pitbull. Just my opinion though. Wayne probably advises getting the Koxx because he genuinely loves to ride them (ha ha ha!). But seriously, if Wayne didn't think they were good, he wouldn't ride them, right Wayne? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I have a bike and I do ride it, only it might be better on sumet fresh...May give my riding a kick up tha a$$, get me back into it again...Does your mate bunnyhop, manual and hop up manual on his zoo??????????? Thats 3 things I wouldnt wana stop doing if I changed frames... yep here sure does (Y) i have a vid of him doing a hop to manual i will stick up this evening if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 yep here sure does (Y) i have a vid of him doing a hop to manual i will stick up this evening if you want. Yeah that would be GREAT some real evidence that you can manual a pitbull afterall huh..... I will look out for it,any more shots of him riding street on that bike??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 the levelboss has short back end probably the same as a pitbull. i bunnyhopped my pitbull when i had one before the koxx deal came about, i felt they bunnyhoped well but they just didnt feel right in the cockpit and when you got the abr and stem setup right they were lacking something on the back wheel, weather it was my balance or control i dont know but it didnt feel as stable as my levelboss. the levelboss i personally felt for this year any way a bit more "street" orientated the majority of trials riders buying the levelboss were street riding them therefore as the sales were showing this they re-sort of thinked the bike and designed it more of a street bike with the more aggressive look to the bike. im happy with the 3 koxx bikes iv had and all 3 have given me the pleasure and satisfaction to think to possibly signing a 2006 deal with koxx. Waynio........................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) the levelboss has short back end probably the same as a pitbull. i bunnyhopped my pitbull when i had one before the koxx deal came about, i felt they bunnyhoped well but they just didnt feel right in the cockpit and when you got the abr and stem setup right they were lacking something on the back wheel, weather it was my balance or control i dont know but it didnt feel as stable as my levelboss. the levelboss i personally felt for this year any way a bit more "street" orientated the majority of trials riders buying the levelboss were street riding them therefore as the sales were showing this they re-sort of thinked the bike and designed it more of a street bike with the more aggressive look to the bike. im happy with the 3 koxx bikes iv had and all 3 have given me the pleasure and satisfaction to think to possibly signing a 2006 deal with koxx. Waynio........................ hm..just the are £100 more than the other similar frames that are out ANY DJS OUT THERE NEED A STAND FOR THEIR GEAR IVE GOT JUST HE PLACE, CHECK OUT MY EBAY LISTINGS, EMAIL ANY QUESTIONS http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZblackcapjdmQQhtZ-1 Edited October 21, 2005 by FLATOUTSTYLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 they are £100 more expensive for a reason and if you trust my opinion on this you wont be dissapointed. i dont care what anyone says on here but for 2005 i personally feel that my BIKE selection and choice helped me to the british championship, yes ok so some of it is down to my ability, BUT i could have been looking for the right frame for ages when i didnt need to be doing, i got help and advice and took it and was happy with what got sorted out, then my riding improves therefore more confidence comes through and the more i want to push the boundaries ALL because i get a bike that is right it feels right with a bit of correct setting up, BUT most of all the geometry is so well tweaked that you really cant imagine how good the bike actually feels to ride, the geometry helps alot. i was/am a BIG fan of street riding and was finding so many street moves easier to do on the levelboss. my new bike is a bit different i have been doing a bit more with the UCI style stuff and alot of the competitions and i opted for belaey iv ridden it alot on the street and love it to pieces but you can tell its a different type of frame, for a different riding style, you look at how street riders ride then look at how kenny belaey rides. this is down to design and tech of each individual frame, hence why the bikes have different names and different specs and geometries. hope this helps. Waynio............................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLATOUTSTYLE Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) they are £100 more expensive for a reason and if you trust my opinion on this you wont be dissapointed. i dont care what anyone says on here but for 2005 i personally feel that my BIKE selection and choice helped me to the british championship, yes ok so some of it is down to my ability, BUT i could have been looking for the right frame for ages when i didnt need to be doing, i got help and advice and took it and was happy with what got sorted out, then my riding improves therefore more confidence comes through and the more i want to push the boundaries ALL because i get a bike that is right it feels right with a bit of correct setting up, BUT most of all the geometry is so well tweaked that you really cant imagine how good the bike actually feels to ride, the geometry helps alot. i was/am a BIG fan of street riding and was finding so many street moves easier to do on the levelboss. my new bike is a bit different i have been doing a bit more with the UCI style stuff and alot of the competitions and i opted for belaey iv ridden it alot on the street and love it to pieces but you can tell its a different type of frame, for a different riding style, you look at how street riders ride then look at how kenny belaey rides. this is down to design and tech of each individual frame, hence why the bikes have different names and different specs and geometries. hope this helps. Waynio............................ Great, thanks a lot for the advise, shame I wont be at the next comp as Id like to have had a bash on your bike to see what you mean. Im just now looking for geo info on the 05 levelboss....Harder to find than ou would think.....Anywaz Cheers Did you ride a straight fork or raked on the 05 levelboss? I like raked as they have a bit of give on them but wouldnt they bump up the wheelbase length slightly????? Suppose I could just use my 26mhz pashley forks until I swapped to a new set...Can you use a mavic 521 on the back with the magura mounts? ie will they reach the rim with it not being as wide, I plan to get the super WIDE drilled rim on the back to give me more grip when I get a new wheel built....Just will be running a 521 until then......? Edited October 21, 2005 by FLATOUTSTYLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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