ramps Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 some of the bst ones i have heard are What is the point in life if life if life itself has no point. there is only one thing to be sure of in life - death live and learn then die and forget it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 The greatest philosophers amongst us are the ones that gave up the earliest. (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMonkey Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 They aren't philosopical in anyway really are they. And you got one of them wrong, "There's only 2 things to be sure of in life, Taxes and Death" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat-jake Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 ye i thought this was quite a good 1: "trying is the first step towards failure" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLORNOWT Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 "Lifes a Journey, not a destination" Ryan Leech told me that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earsy104 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 erm dunno if these are philosophies or not but hey its a dog eat dog world life is full of aims and ambitions have none then you dont live erm yer cant think of any good ones but hey nevermind :turned: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMonkey Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 "Lifes a Journey, not a destination" Ryan Leech told me that I think Ryan Leech has been listening to Aerosmith then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urpedigreechumdog Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 (edited) None of those are philosophies at all... just really, really shit sentences. Let's talk about some real philosophy.... Plato and the world of the forms, just for you... Plato believed in a 'world of the forms', which is a world where everything is perfect. In this world there is a perfect 'form' for everything in our world, the world of the senses, where nothing is perfect. We only recognise a tree as a tree, because our soul has experienced the form of a perfect tree. The soul is the only part of us which can experience the world of the forms, but when it is born into a human body, it is supposedly trapped and unable to access the forms. The world of the forms is invisible to us, we cannot see it therefore it can be frustrating and unconvincing to think that there is a world we cannot sense. However Plato seems to believe that it is simple to access the forms through the soul, if you can get into the frame of mind where you can free yourself from the illusions created by your sense's. Others would argue that to free yourself from your illusions by rejecting everything that is familiar to you in order to see 'true reality', could be interpreted as tricking yourself into thinking that there is an invisible world around us, when there is not. Plato tells us that the forms cannot be taught, they are innate, we know them already but we do not acknowledge them. To acknowledge these forms would be too painful and confusing as earlier mentioned with the story of the analogy of the cave. But we could easily argue this by asking for evidence, how can Plato prove that we can access the forms through the soul? He cannot prove it but he would argue that we have an innate sense of all things perfect but we have never actually seen a perfect object, Plato would say that our soul has experienced the world of the forms and we can recognise things from the world of the senses because they resemble those from the world of the forms. For a person to think that there is another world, that we cannot see, is mind blowing, why should we accept Plato's theory? As he said in his analogy of the cave, the illusions put forward by our sense's will seem more real than any 'true reality' at first. If person X were to say “seeing is believing, an invisible world cannot exist”, Plato could argue that what person X is seeing is only an illusion created by their own senses and that the true reality is the world of the forms. Plato explains that everything in this world is a pale reflection of it's form, however there are bad things in this world such as violence, does Plato mean to say that there is a perfect form of violence or evil? If so, why? Surely a perfect form of violence would be even worse than the earthly examples of them. This is contradictory since the world of the forms is supposed to be perfect. Something for you to have a think about, and no it wasn't copied and pasted from t'internet. Edited October 6, 2005 by Urpedigreechumdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smo™ Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 ^ Bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMonkey Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 ^ Bullshit. Only read the first paragraph, but can you prove that it isn't true. I know it can't be proved to be true. But it also can't be proved to be untrue. :turned: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Philosophy is just history without facts :turned: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 What i say is; Jesus was perfect to forgive all of our sins right? JESUS WAS A JEW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 What i say is; Jesus was perfect to forgive all of our sins right? JESUS WAS A JEW! Thats a bit NAZI don't you think. I find this quite helpful through-out life, Only those who risk going too far can possibly know how far they can go. Ok, maybe It is not philosophy, probably more of a proverb or an analagy(sp?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Thats a bit NAZI don't you think. NAZI??? You really have no idea what your talking about do you? As a young child i was forced to go on brigade with scouts ever month and in church it dawned on me. So not its not natzi or puritan or cleaning the races its just simply saying that parts of the bible are total bollocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMonkey Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 God was a rapist, Mary never consented to that sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp101 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Philosophy is professional time wasting. Thinking all day. Really helps humanity. Then you get f**k heads saying "Why would do need to advance humanity?" Goddamn Cynic's, like Hobbes, and Locke. "I know that I know nothing at all" Then you wouldn't know that you know nothing. Oh, I get the joke Soccy, I get it. How about a bit of Decarte? He thinks therefore he is. Modern Philosophers asked the small questions and gave big answers. If you can ask "Do you want cheese with that?" You can be a philosopher, it'd end up like "What is the nature of cheese on a hamburger?" Or something intricate for the sake of intricacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomass666 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 To acknowledge these forms would be too painful and confusing as earlier mentioned with the story of the analogy of the cave. Something for you to have a think about, and no it wasn't copied and pasted from t'internet. It wasn't copied and pasted? I dont remember anything else about caves. Philosophy is probably important to have in a society but for must of us it is a big pile of bullshit, usually talked about at 4 in the morning or under the influence of illegal narcotics. Proverbs are great though. Heres one: "be yourself is all that you can be" Not a great one but it really gets stuck in my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp101 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Aligory of the Cave; Guys are blind entire life, and can't move. One guy is taken out, Will he leave or tell the rest there is more to life It's what the matrix is based heavily upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc Lovin Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 None of those are philosophies at all... just really, really shit sentences. Let's talk about some real philosophy.... Plato and the world of the forms, just for you... Plato believed in a 'world of the forms', which is a world where everything is perfect. In this world there is a perfect 'form' for everything in our world, the world of the senses, where nothing is perfect. We only recognise a tree as a tree, because our soul has experienced the form of a perfect tree. The soul is the only part of us which can experience the world of the forms, but when it is born into a human body, it is supposedly trapped and unable to access the forms. The world of the forms is invisible to us, we cannot see it therefore it can be frustrating and unconvincing to think that there is a world we cannot sense. However Plato seems to believe that it is simple to access the forms through the soul, if you can get into the frame of mind where you can free yourself from the illusions created by your sense's. Others would argue that to free yourself from your illusions by rejecting everything that is familiar to you in order to see 'true reality', could be interpreted as tricking yourself into thinking that there is an invisible world around us, when there is not. Plato tells us that the forms cannot be taught, they are innate, we know them already but we do not acknowledge them. To acknowledge these forms would be too painful and confusing as earlier mentioned with the story of the analogy of the cave. But we could easily argue this by asking for evidence, how can Plato prove that we can access the forms through the soul? He cannot prove it but he would argue that we have an innate sense of all things perfect but we have never actually seen a perfect object, Plato would say that our soul has experienced the world of the forms and we can recognise things from the world of the senses because they resemble those from the world of the forms. For a person to think that there is another world, that we cannot see, is mind blowing, why should we accept Plato's theory? As he said in his analogy of the cave, the illusions put forward by our sense's will seem more real than any 'true reality' at first. If person X were to say “seeing is believing, an invisible world cannot exist”, Plato could argue that what person X is seeing is only an illusion created by their own senses and that the true reality is the world of the forms. Plato explains that everything in this world is a pale reflection of it's form, however there are bad things in this world such as violence, does Plato mean to say that there is a perfect form of violence or evil? If so, why? Surely a perfect form of violence would be even worse than the earthly examples of them. This is contradictory since the world of the forms is supposed to be perfect. Something for you to have a think about, and no it wasn't copied and pasted from t'internet. and that took how much time to type :turned: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomo Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 iv got a good one for all the fat people out there ( you eat to live not live to eat ) its all good fun :turned: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beigemaster Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Don't be too quick to mock Philosophy to be rendered pointless as our whole democracy was foundered through it. Now you can get all arsery with how you think modern politics is a load of crap with constant endless spin and liers but hey if you dont like it go and live in a dictatership for a while. Urpedigreechumdog- nice to try and introduce a bit of Plato but I think you would have been better to explain Plato's analogy of the cave with a bit more detail (with lots of reference to the Matrix) as it introduces the idea of why Philosophy is important. Finally for all those who are into the one line wanders "if it taste of chicken keep on liken but if it tastes of trout get the hell out" :turned: appologies for all those offended feel free to write to the "who gives a crap" department of the forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 not really a philosophies, just a few sayings i think mean a lot to me. ''define your life'', ''alive or just breathing'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp101 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Don't be too quick to mock Philosophy to be rendered pointless as our whole democracy was foundered through it. Now you can get all arsery with how you think modern politics is a load of crap with constant endless spin and liers but hey if you dont like it go and live in a dictatership for a while. Urpedigreechumdog- nice to try and introduce a bit of Plato but I think you would have been better to explain Plato's analogy of the cave with a bit more detail (with lots of reference to the Matrix) as it introduces the idea of why Philosophy is important. Finally for all those who are into the one line wanders "if it taste of chicken keep on liken but if it tastes of trout get the hell out" :turned: appologies for all those offended feel free to write to the "who gives a crap" department of the forum Yea, philosophy is dialectic, as in, ask questions to further understand, then ask even more questions to get a better answer...and ask yet again, see if anything has changed. A philosophic system is an integrated view of existence. As a human being, you have no choice about the fact that you need a philosophy. Your only choice is whether you define your philosophy by a conscious, rational, disciplined process of thought and scrupulously logical deliberation -- or let your subconscious accumulate a junk heap of unwarranted conclusions, false generalizations, undefined contradictions, undigested slogans, unidentified wishes, doubts and fears, thrown together by chance, but integrated by your subconscious into a kind of mongrel philosophy and fused into a single, solid weight: self-doubt, like a ball and chain in the place where your mind's wings should have grown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayneone Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 A man who never made a mistake, never made anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLORNOWT Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Its just bullshit really..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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