Tom Booth Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 At first i really didn't like it, but now after reading some of the posts and the thought tracks people have come up for it, it seems a very good idea, and i really like it! It seems to be like most people have said, THE best of both worlds, short enough for a flick around the streets, but low enough for a good ride on the rocks. Well done onza, Your coming up with some right corking ideas recently, and they all seem to be loved :ermm: Cheers Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve sturt Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Both of you are wrong a 24" bike SHOULD NOT be a shit bmx bike, its somthing different, thats like saying stocks SHOULD not have riser bars and seats f**kING GOOD ONE on onza i say there always trying new stuff and id love to give it ago. ← I was merely explaing why I dont like it. Mr Onza man obviously was looking for feedback, and I gave him my honest opinion, which is neither right or wrong. I wasnt saying its shit, just that I dont like it. I agree that they have done well for trying, but they havent made a product that I would buy, yet. Personally I cant think of anything nicer than a 24" wheeled steel framed short wheelbase bike, with a big front end. And also a practial saddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE-0 Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Yea i like the idea of Onza doing a 24" but im not too sure on their design. :ermm: Surely the woodstock would have been a better bike to copy. This has got to be 1 of the only 24" not to have a seat. Very strange cause they are always sitting down. Just looks like a shorter t-rex... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 do I have to wear lycra? ← i cant imagine lycra on men would be a bad thing merk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergia Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Fred why are you being so narrow minded? The only reason everyone associates 24" with streety shitBMX is because of the frames out at the moment. They are all short jump orientated frames, so you are obviously going to find it more difficult to ride it on rocks and stuff. Just because its something new, why does it have to be put into a class straight away. It sems everything has to be defined these days. Oh mod is for hopp hoppy stuff, and 24 is for streety stuff bla bla bla. Someone who does manuals and stuff on mods just gets laughed at because they are not riding in the "defined" way which is just silly. I think its really cool and is a good link between the 2 wheel sizes, becuase thats the only difference in the bikes, the wheel sizes, not the way you ride them. ← That's what i meant earlier since Edd brought his 24" out first and the only one at the time it was streety so we feel that it should be street more but if say the T-rex came out in 24" we would be ok with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Jones Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Sorry but imo, you've taken a fantastic idea of 24" bikes and pissed all over the fire. Really sorry if im annoying anybody by saying that, but 24" is street, not part of the long-low-silver-style klan. Nice colour though! Jonny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Shrewsbury Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Ive ridden 24inch for nearly 2 years now and people will know this i have alot of experience with the bikes. I new that someone wud bring out a comp 24inch bike. But really i think 20inch and 26inch should be left to comp riding. yeh it will sell and people will want it and ride it. But i dont see it going fair in comps. Good idea though. 24INCH IS STREET though. :) JOHN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 People still do nice street on long, low silver bikes though? Remember that footage of Nick Manning (I think?) on whatever the crap bike it was riding a skatepark? Informative post there :) When 24" frames first came out, people said they'd never catch on and they'd be pointless. Now everyone wants one. History repeating maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeillyB Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Bike looks good, but speaking from experience the grips are completely SHITE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Sorry but imo, you've taken a fantastic idea of 24" bikes and pissed all over the fire. Really sorry if im annoying anybody by saying that, but 24" is street, not part of the long-low-silver-style klan. Nice colour though! Jonny. ← Whoever branded 24" as strictly street? There are street 26" frames so why cant there be "long and low" 24" frames? I think some people need to stop bumming one thing or the other and admit that things can change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon racoon Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 I think some people need to stop bumming one thing or the other ← says you with this... TARTYBIKES ECHO - ZOO - ONZA - GU - TENSILE - Toxsin - Plazmatic + More Frames, clothing, rims, spares everything you need, CHEAP P&P as your signature! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarshRider Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Whoever branded 24" as strictly street? There are street 26" frames so why cant there be "long and low" 24" frames? I think some people need to stop bumming one thing or the other and admit that things can change. ← i agree in ways..... i don't see why there are so many people who don't like the idea! there is such a divide in the way people ride now! if you have a short bikes its got to be street.... if you have a long bikes its got to be uci street... when all uci means is not to hit your bash guard. some people prefer longer bikes and some shorter.... there must be a wide majority of people out there who prefer longer bikes but do not know weather 26" is to big or if 20" is to small! i think this is a good idea! i'm not saying your wrong..... but i think give the longer bike lovers the opportunity to ride 24" what ever happened to having a trials bike and just doing what ever you enjoy doing without being called a street rider for having a short bike or visa versa oh well just my thought :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Sorry but imo, you've taken a fantastic idea of 24" bikes and pissed all over the fire. Really sorry if im annoying anybody by saying that, but 24" is street, not part of the long-low-silver-style klan. Nice colour though! Jonny. ← Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 (edited) Just because it hasnt got a seat or is an exact replica of all other 24" frames, does it have no ability to bunny hop or x-up AT ALL? At times you lot are the biggest bunch of mother funkeys! I mean come on! Surely its not harming the 24" industry if a new design is released? I say good on onza for pushing the boundreys and causing controversy! If i was looking into a 24" at the time of this bikes availability this would be my first choice, Because knowing Onza its probably going to be a cheap strong bike with great capabilities. Tom *discalaimer This is MY OPINION! Also influenced by Rob P* Edited September 9, 2005 by Tom Booth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-A Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Theres lots of very mixed opinions in this thread, so I'll add some more.... I got a 24" bike because I dont like the feel of stocks, yet I want to ride real street. I was happy with riding a mod, but the long stem made street tricky to say the least. Having tried a coupel of 24" I liked the way the were smaller and more manoverable than a stock, yet could be blasted thruogh street unlike a mod. This is the normal kinda of 24" street type bike. It bunnyhops well and flows, and is still flicky enuogh to ride trials well on, in the same way that a super short monty still rides well. Going by the 1040 wheelbase, this onza should be very similar geo to the current croud of 24" bikes, just with a different look. I personally think, if thgey were going for the compy look they shold have gone all out with atleast a 1060 wheel base, and other "long low silver" bike style geometry, not forgetting the rquired bb rise because of 24" wheels. Again looking at the pictures, and pure speculation, seeing moderate bb rise etc. With riser bars and a short stem that onza should ride the same as any other 24" bike. There are a few Leesons with 1040ish wheelbases and they only feel slightly different to the shorter Ashtons and alike. But with the supplied flat bar and stem I dont know how it would ride. The proof will be in the ride, and no one can really tell what it will be like til its been ridden. I think the idea of 24" comp style bikes is a good one, as I think the size of the wheels has a large effect on the basic charicteristics of a bike, and personally I like the way 24" feels. But I think for this idea to work to its full potential the bike needs to be out and out competition style, rather than a middle ground bike. Yet again the whole post is based around one or two images, and only time will tell how well this style of 24" bike with catch on and ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Theres lots of very mixed opinions in this thread, so I'll add some more.... I got a 24" bike because I dont like the feel of stocks, yet I want to ride real street. I was happy with riding a mod, but the long stem made street tricky to say the least. Having tried a coupel of 24" I liked the way the were smaller and more manoverable than a stock, yet could be blasted thruogh street unlike a mod. This is the normal kinda of 24" street type bike. It bunnyhops well and flows, and is still flicky enuogh to ride trials well on, in the same way that a super short monty still rides well. Going by the 1040 wheelbase, this onza should be very similar geo to the current croud of 24" bikes, just with a different look. I personally think, if thgey were going for the compy look they shold have gone all out with atleast a 1060 wheel base, and other "long low silver" bike style geometry, not forgetting the rquired bb rise because of 24" wheels. Again looking at the pictures, and pure speculation, seeing moderate bb rise etc. With riser bars and a short stem that onza should ride the same as any other 24" bike. There are a few Leesons with 1040ish wheelbases and they only feel slightly different to the shorter Ashtons and alike. But with the supplied flat bar and stem I dont know how it would ride. The proof will be in the ride, and no one can really tell what it will be like til its been ridden. I think the idea of 24" comp style bikes is a good one, as I think the size of the wheels has a large effect on the basic charicteristics of a bike, and personally I like the way 24" feels. But I think for this idea to work to its full potential the bike needs to be out and out competition style, rather than a middle ground bike. Yet again the whole post is based around one or two images, and only time will tell how well this style of 24" bike with catch on and ride. ← was thinking about this at work this morning as was going to make a very similar points - it has been said that its a 24" for the long and low crew, but 1040 isn't that long really, as Steve said there are a few 1040 leesons about, the ashtons where 1030. The thing is the onza could easily have quite a slack headangle (like the big boys trex (Y) ) and this will end up the bike feeling quite short anyway. It was also said earlier that the first lot of 24" frames where just short jump bikes, I disagree with this. To me they are 24" trials bikes, the geo lends itself well the trials, no worse than a px zebdi or other short stock bike. Does the seat make it a jump frame? If fact when I first got my leeson, people where shocked how good and easy it felt on the back wheel. but to me and i am going to agree with steve here, low 24" frame would be better in something like a 1060 wb, with a maybe 71 degree head angle! Go the whole hog and maybe keep the shorter wheelbase - 1000-1040ish with a traditonal frame with seat and a 73/74 headangle would work better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 says you with this... as your signature! (Y) ← Sorry didnt realise i had to distinguish between "supporting" and "bumming" ill make it clear next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roozor Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Who said that 24inch is only street oriantated? Each to his own lads, if someone wants to ride a uci 24", how's that gonna effect you? You dont have to ride it! You cant say it's shit just because you dont like it.. I think your confusing fact and opinion :| I think it looks ace :} Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 there is such a divide in the way people ride now! if you have a short bikes its got to be street.... if you have a long bikes its got to be uci street... when all uci means is not to hit your bash guard. ← That's all very well, but people with long bikes usually ride street in a completely different way (Taps vs bunny hops, big sidehop vs something spinny etc). OK, calling one style of riding "UCI" may seem a bit misleading, but we all know what someone means when they say "UCI street" (Even if it has nothing to do with UCI really). As for the flat bar/stem thing, I really don't think there's much in it in terms of how they feel. Flat bars look more UCI ((Y)), risers look streetier. I went from Monty bars & stem to 1.5" risers & 110x5 stem and the position is almost exactly the same. The only difference is the up-sweep (on the Monty bars - Which I had tilted backwards anyway). So I wouldn't woory too much about that (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich4130 Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Why not? ← Because there not long, low or silver (Y)? The stuff they ride are different for a start, from my limited experience of big group rides with 20/24/26" people is that the the things that the 24" people ride are very different, I'm explaining this crap, hopefully someone will know what I mean, you have to experience it to see it though, you can't really say unless you own a 24"/LLS. Get out on a big group ride, and see it for you self, hyperthetically speaking, the LLS gang may all have a go at a huge tap etc, while the 24" lot are playing on a bench/wallride (if your anygood, unlike me..) etc. I agree 100% with what Jonny said though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 I think all this 24" is for this, not that, is turd. Do what you like on your bike, stop being willies. Onza are merely catering for those people who dont want to be the boon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich4130 Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 I think all this 24" is for this, not that, is turd. Do what you like on your bike, stop being willies. Onza are merely catering for those people who dont want to be the boon. ← Your right, I should have said that, they are good for trials (Y) I try to hook and tap on mine, im crap though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Who said that 24inch is only street oriantated? I think it looks ace :} ← exactley. thats like saying a mod is shit for street cos its not a bmx...... i think (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 I think all this 24" is for this, not that, is turd. Do what you like on your bike, stop being willies. Onza are merely catering for those people who dont want to be the boon. ← I agree too. If mod bikes are supposed to be specialised at natural, why do companies design more street suited mod frames? (such as le python) If you wanna do natural on a 24" fine If you wanna do street on a 24" fine But what some people are saying is that a 24" is more specialised for street. However theres still no definite right or wrong Id also like to see a 24" category for competitions in the future and if i get the money, I shall buy this new onza 24" and become the CLS of 24" ness .....*evil laughter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the666ers Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 It's shit like this that's the reason for me not even touching my Ashton since I cracked it, and want to just totally commit to the non-bitching fabulously friendly world of BMX and stay there forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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