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[Sponge]

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Edited April 26, 2014 by Sponge

[JIX]

I would practice both anyway, regardless of which is better. For situations where you need to position yourself on maybe two small objects or something and you have to go from both.

I think from back wheel is easier and better for going big because thats what works for most people.

Imagine it like this. When going from both you have basically dropped the front wheel the lowest you ever possibly could, so you should be in a good position to generate power. When going from rear you cant drop the front as low but its the momentum you generate from dropping the front that lets you go higher. Plus from rear you dont have to concentrate about lifting the front as much.

[ben_travis]

i agree with JIX, i prefer one wheel. i cant get the power from two wheels. and i always land further back from when i started. which i dont feel is a good thing.

I prefer to land on front wheel as an anchor then bring back up

my 2p

[JIX]

The better technique for landing is two wheels by the way. ;)

Harder to do but by far and away the best way to do it. Look at the people who do big sidehops, they dont "bin it to front" as me, nick and sam say.

[Mr Motivator]

Well to two wheels looks better but it is easier to go to front wheel first and hook up the rear.

Hmm, you choose ;)

[Tony Harrison]

I can do both. Until recently I was usually hopping from two wheels, as I found my accuracy better.

Then I started learning sidehops my 'wrong way' and found that I could only really do it from one wheel (felt impossible from two) and now I tend to go either way from one wheel. I find I can get more power from one wheel, but as my 'from one wheel' hops get bigger, I can do bigger from both wheels, so I practice both.

[JIX]

Well to two wheels looks better but it is easier to go to front wheel first and hook up the rear.

Not really sam. If you look at every one who does big sidehops I think you will see what I mean. To go big you cant really go to front wheel. Examples being;

porter, wheeler, lee scott, tunni, hermance, belay, slinger, ros, keita and so on.

It is better and you can go higher to both, but it is harder. Im not saying you cant sidehop and land front wheel because you can but if you look at the people you would class as good at sidehops then you will se the vast majority going to both.

I cant go to both very well and when it gets to about 41 inches Im binning it to front. ;) I cant help it.

Sorry to add to my little list Stan shaw and waynio. Waynes tuck when he was sidehopping in bristol was imense, and stan has got brilliant technique.

Edited August 31, 2005 by JIX

[ben_travis]

Not really sam. If you look at every one who does big sidehops I think you will see what I mean. To go big you cant really go to front wheel. Examples being;

porter, wheeler, lee scott, tunni, hermance, belay, slinger, ros, keita and so on.

It is better and you can go higher to both, but it is harder. Im not saying you cant sidehop and land front wheel because you can but if you look at the people you would class as good at sidehops then you will se the vast majority going to both.

I cant go to both very well and when it gets to about 41 inches Im binning it to front. :P  I cant help it.

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i still dont think ur correct. its a technique that works for each of them. i go to front and can get 48" (pb) but still go to front, i would say 48 is high. and im sure waynio goes to front he can go 50", damon watson (tartybikes rider) used up to front to get 53" so it does work. its application and how the rider goes about it. and im quite sure in many sidehops hermance goes to front wheel first on 50" eg. andrewt's colorado video, when he barely grips the wall. he goes to front first.

so each to their own, although i like to be able to get up to both, but wouldnt say it allows me to go higher. its much harder ;)

ben

[JIX]

We might be getting abit confused about what I mean by going to front wheel. You do touch it slightly first some times but by then you have tucked and are up bar an inch or two. I agree ben you can go to front and still go big, but I would say that it is worth learning the "proper technique". God I hate saying that. Like you say each to their own, what ever works. But I think if you get serious about it, to both is the only way.

[ben_travis]

i think im in the same position as u, im not amazing at sidehops and i use what works. i feel that going to both is better but suppose we all use what works.

i also hate using this proper technique saying as people say you should hop to the opposite side of strong foot, however tunni goes to the same side as his strong foot, and that boy can sidehop.

We need the big hitters to tell us. i would like to be able to go as high to both wheels, but it takes a shit load of power application (you dont need to be a muscle man to go big - CLS is a good example, he aint a big lad, but he can go f**king huge on his bike.)

meh. lets get the guys who are good at sidehops to tell us.

i like discussions like this, cheers jix, i f**king hate arguments. all opinions ;)

good lad

ben

[Brian Bleech]

Going to boths wheel is meant to be 'better' - i think it because it takes mor effort to hop to anchor the front down and then bring the back wheel up, rather than just do it in one hop and go to both.

Damon is the only big sidehopper that use's the 'anchor the front down' technique, it works for him...

mike

[JIX]

Ye I like this sort of thing to ben ;)

Well I ride with sam (wheeler) and nick (goddard) all the time and we all agree to both. Sam goes huge to both and never gets close to going to front wheel. But thats a mod. Which I think is different. Me and nick (mostly nick as I hate sidehops) always practise and do smaller sidehops but going to both. Its better to get the right technique going on something small rather than just getting up big stuff crap, if you know what I mean. And when porter comes out he only goes to both, and he is on a stock.

I think you must get to a point in height where you cant really bin it to front and get the back up, so you have to go to both. I think its only with this new tuck in the middle of the frame technique that this is now possible. Because I think back in the day when you had to tuck over the back wheel you could go higher by going to front.

So I think that because of tucking in the middle of the frame you can go higher going to both. I can give you loads of vid referances of sidehops, good, bad, different. But you probs wont have all the vids I would be talking about :P

[Tony Harrison]

Wasn't the WHOLE POINT of this thread to find advice on whether to go FROM one or two wheels, not TO one or two wheels? Check the first post...

[JIX]

Ye, but this is just as interesting. What do you want?? 2 different threads on sidehop technique??

And if you look, I gave my opinion on that. ;)

Edited August 31, 2005 by JIX

[ben_travis]

cool, well im not going to concern myself with what videos are references, thats cool i believe you, you guys are more likely to know as you all ride with them. i have just watched porters new video and it seems it might work. ill have to have a try. im quite skinny for a rider, and i consider myself more than capable, 48" is a decent standard, but i might train myself into this new technique,

i learnt to go bigger by hooking front and up, but even damon is trying this new up to both thing. and i notice porter squats in middle of frame rather than near the back. ill have to have a look at my own technique and see. ill have a look at the videos. im not crazily into sidehops but do like the odd one or two. i want to be an all round rider, but sidehops are one of my weaker moves.

well cheers for the convo guys, im gunna see if going to both makes a difference. ill let u know ;)

EDIT : SORRY FOR GOING OFF TOPIC. WELL ITS KINDA ON TOPIC, BUT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

MEH............BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION :P

cheers

ben

Edited August 31, 2005 by ben@hulltrials

[Waynio]

from 2 wheels is harder as it is harder to get more height.

from 1 wheel your front wheel is always hovering higher and this can help to get up something alot bigger yet with less effort and more ease.

the landing to 1 or 2 wheels again comes down to preference, going to front wheel means you need to trust the tyre your running and personally a sidehop to 2 wheels looks smoother neater and nicer. the one wheel up then endo the back round as i used to do, alex from trial20 and matchbox used to take the piss outta me for doing it, but it is how i used to be able to go "bigger" when sidehopping. nower days i find it easier to do it to 2 wheels where possible.

and yes its different for a mod rider. sidehops from 2 to 2 are easier and sidehops from 1 - 2 wheels are easier too. iv had a mod for like less than a week and iv found its effort less to go from back wheel to 2 wheels and from 2 - 2 its so much nicer. but thats only in my opinion on how i ride and each to their own others may be different.

Waynio........................

sidehopping is good to practice BUT whats even better is when you can flow from a tyre tap into a sidehop instead of having to do stationary street moves, try make street riding a section and see how fast you can flow and how many of the moves come off................its harder than what you think, iv done it in keighley a few times just thort of a few things to do and then in a square of objects il ride at one thing then try flow it into the next. good fun too :) (Y)

[STEVE-0]

Diffinetly always take off from 1 wheel!! with also a tiny little preload hop seconds before.

Landings:

1 wheel is safer!! Because then the back wheel just doesnt make it but if your trying a 2 wheeled landing the chances are, if your dont make it you kind of stack it. Which ends up you hurting yourself. >_< Its not very fun....

2 wheeled landings are definetly better but are hard and take lots of confidence!

In natural they pay off big time because of the ammount of grip your getting and the spread of pressure across the tyres, which results in a less chance of slipping!! Which is a good thing (Y)

Ive tried both both can reach higher with 1 wheeled landings!

Edited September 1, 2005 by STEVE-0

[Ducko]

id say its all down to personal preferance,

people can get just as high from both really dani comas is a monster from two wheel and people like benito do it from one wheel mad high too.

just what ever feels best i think?

[SamHolmes]

Landings:

1 wheel is safer!! Because then the back wheel just doesnt make it but if your trying a 2 wheeled landing the chances are, if your dont make it you kind of stack it. Which ends up you hurting yourself.  >_< Its not very fun....

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Not really, when I dont make a sidehop going to both wheels I normally slip to my drop out or crank/pedal and just jump off.....

[Ali C]

fact: short bike are easier to sidehop from both wheels.

most people tend to have longer bike these days which is why you dont often see 2 wheel sidehops as they are pretty hard on long bikes.

as for the two wheel landings, I am REALLY trying to learn them, but I just cant force myself to go to the side of the bike and tuck, it just doesnt happen.

recently I have been going bigger doing the standard front wheel manoover, but tucking to the side as I pivot on the front. seems to help a lot but I cant do it every time.

When I try and land both wheels, I am concentrating soo much on getting my rear up, I often dont get the front on which is scary:S

[JT!]

from 2 wheels is harder as it is harder to get more height.

from 1 wheel your front wheel is always hovering higher and this can help to get up something alot bigger yet with less effort and more ease.

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That's it bascily, your font wheel is alreasy 3 ft off the ground to it less to lift.

I go from two wheels to one then up 5 ft (i wish). I have seen some people just casualy get onto the back wheel, hop about a bit then go stright up from there. I don't like doing it like that though. I perfer the front wheel to have downward momentum so you have to put more of a kick in to get it going upwards if you know what i mean.

Edited September 1, 2005 by JT!

[Joe_Elding]

When I am sidehopping during a line say in natural or something and want to stay on the backwheel i go from two wheels as I find it easier to get the back up that way.

If I am trying to get height up a wall or similar then I go off one wheel as i get the front wheel higher and anchor it down.

So in short i do both.