PaRtZ Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 The other thread was a T-Mag too. Anyway, with regards "Breaking a frame and asking for a replacement is like eating a cake and asking for a replacement: Its not likely to happen" - you're wrong. It ISN'T like "eating a cake" at all. If a frame breaks, it'll either be manufacturing error (i.e. bad welding, faulty metal), design faults (i.e. not being gusseted enough, sketchy design in general) or just wear and tear. If it's one of the first two, it's the manufacturer's fault as they're putting the frame on the market. With the latter, it's the rider's fault, but that's why some companies such as Onza do the 2-year crash replacement scheme. So if he's raped this frame, he can at least try and claim on the crash replacement scheme, as that caters for frames that have suffered as a result of a 'crash' (such as falling to bash or whatever). It's up to them to decide whether utter rapage of a frame in a few rides is 'excessive' or whatever. Either way, he can still phone them and see what they say. That's why they draw up warranties in the first place. ← Didn't know that, sorry. Learn't something new today ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1handedluke Posted August 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 (edited) Either way, he can still phone them and see what they say. That's why they draw up warranties in the first place. ← Yep I'll call Onza in the morning, It does look abused in the pictures, But for the amount of riding I've done on it, Wouldn't expect the bash to be forced into the frame like that, Plus the bashmount is quite a crud design. For the dents all i can say is with the force i hit them, They shouldn't be there, But we will see what onza say so I'll call them and see what happens. Luke :) Edited August 31, 2005 by 1handedluke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai the Socket Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 It's either one batch of them, or just a design fault. My mate Liam dented his, not on the downtube, merely from going to bash on something and it's dented and cracked around the weld, exactly where yours has. His frame's in really good overall condition, it's just that joining bit on the top of the bashplate. Supercycles should be getting a fair few phone calls soon I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 i like in this thread how all the "in experienced" riders are F**KING slating the onza downtube!!!christ its a frigging competition bike!!!!dont ride it on the street you set of tools!!!! it makes me mad that people post some utter shite and expect people to give them frames for free from their own stupid faults???? do you think if i bought a brand new car and ragged it to london and back and engine blew up i would get a FREE one??? G E T A L I F E ! ! Waynio....................... if you cant see further than a foot in front of you its because your balls have dropped!!!!! if you had your own bike company and you had to give frames away FREE then i think you would be severly pissed off. just like onza they dont need to do it as they have been tested (to a certain degree) if you do something as silly as that then dont expect miracles. YOU did it not ONZA! :) (Y) :D threads like this make me lauigh but at the same time i think CHRIST this lad is actually being serious about getting a FREE replacement after what he has done. THERE IS NO DESIGN FAULT!!!!they have made the down tube THIN to keep the weight down for all you weight weenies out there. if you dont like it go buy a blinking STREET frame or something that you wont dent or break (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikamon Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 EDIT: Same goes for the downtube with me. I've scuffed mine on sketchy rocks riding natural and shit, but I can't ever really remember hitting it backwheeling something? Definitely not hard enough to dent the tits out of it. ← ha ha! i remember when u dented your frame for the first time trying to backwheel the bench :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 That was balancing just before wheel swapping on a wet bench, and the front end slid off sideways :) Are you still in Wales now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 hmm, wonder if they have changed the design recently to accomodate the more abusive riders? because im thinking of getting one and i dont want it to break really early, sick of it, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 hmm, wonder if they have changed the design recently to accomodate the more abusive riders? because im thinking of getting one and i dont want it to break really early, sick of it, lol. ← Just run a Bashring Willus, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Yeah, but when I'm too steep I just step off the back? Which is the point I was making - I've not hit my bashguard for a fair ol' while, and you know that I just backwheel shit all the time >_< On mod especially, it's just super easy to step off the back 'cos you know when it's going to shit, so you can pre-empt clattering the bash into the wall... ← Not true, if your steep and are expecting or trying to hold it. it can take u by suprise and just slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicH_87 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Not true, if your steep and are expecting or trying to hold it. it can take u by suprise and just slip. ← if thats not a sig quote, i dunno what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Wayhay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 i like in this thread how all the "in experienced" riders are F**KING slating the onza downtube!!!christ its a frigging competition bike!!!!dont ride it on the street you set of tools!!!!← Call me f**king silly here Wayne, but in BIU comps you quite often have to go to bash. In fact, most of the style-less faggots who seem to hang around the mod classes at comps use it pretty often. Therefore, the fact that people seem to be cracking the tits out of the bash mount would suggest that in competition use, it would still dent in as there is still no gusset? If you use the bash, it's putting pressure on the downtube mount. With no gusset, it's just up to the downtube to have enough strength to resist weight being pressed perpendicularly through it at a weaker point around the weld. So if you ride a comp with it, you can still f**k the downtube up simply because of that. Equally, comps tend to be fairly rough towards frames too, so you're likely to dent the tube in those too. IT happens more in street, but at one of the YMSA comps I went to you pretty much had to scrape through one part of it. Plus, jaggedy arse rocks aren't friendly to downtubes either (just ask my old T-Pro frame about the rocks at Porthcawl). Anyway, my main point was about bash use in comps... do you think if i bought a brand new car and ragged it to london and back and engine blew up i would get a FREE one??? ← If they made the cylinder block weaker than usual because of a design flaw (such as, say, having the material around a stressed point of the block being thinner without any support? :)), and you drove it and it blew up because of that, you'd probably have something to say? if you cant see further than a foot in front of you its because your balls have dropped!!!!!← What the f**k are you talking about? THERE IS NO DESIGN FAULT!!!!they have made the down tube THIN to keep the weight down for all you weight weenies out there. if you dont like it go buy a blinking STREET frame or something that you wont dent or break :) ← The downtube could probably be a bit thicker and it would still have this problem. The downtube bash mount is what is at fault here, or specifically the lack of a gusset. There's nothing to spread the force, so it's pressing into the downtube fairly hard in an angle that it wouldn't usually take a load at. Because of the fact it's welded around it so it'll also be a little stronger than the surrounding tubing, it increases the chance of it doing exactly what it does - denting in easily. If you can't accept that, then think of it like this. T-Mag frames haven't been sold as quickly as T-Pro frames have. Therefore, if there was a shared problem in the frame, you'd expect the T-Pro to have more of these faults reported, wouldn't you? Think for a second. How many T-Pros have you EVER heard of that have been returned because the downtube mount has been pushed up into the frame? 0. Zip. Zero. Zilch. That is out of the many hundreds (probably?) of T-Pros floating around there. Now lets think. A lot less T-Mags have been sold. How many of them have you heard of having to be returned becasue the downtube mount has pushed up into the frame? 3+. Which frame has the gusseted downtube? Oh wait, that'd be the T-Pro. Shock-er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Bashplates only are designed to only be used as protecction arn't they? So really if your like me and go gaps to the bashplate, what do you expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 [west country accent]Oi like, Armourdillo!! :) [/accent] a down tube protector is surely the answer to denting problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bain Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 heres my quick 2p. even if the frame is not designed to allow for the bash to be used other than as a last resort, i'd be a bit pissed off if i slipped (as i'm sure we all do from time to time) and landed on my bash, just for it to dent. whats the point in it being there if it gonna damage the frame, surely part of its purpose is to protect the frame if you do mess up. the other dents, well, it happens and is the fault of the rider, but the bash plate mount is without a doubt a design fault, one that will surely be reviewed. most other frames are well gussetted. in my experience with dealing with companies with regards to this sort of thing, i'd be suprised if they didn't help you, or even replace the frame just to avoid bad publicity, it will cost them all of £50, or they could loose the sale of quite a few frames. if i was onza i know what i would do. its one phone call, just call them, if they say no, then write to them. i remember a thread on here where a basebikes ta26 frame snapped at the seat post tube bit. they guy had to cut out the section and send it off. he got a new frame.... steve http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....c=55848&hl=ta26 http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....topic=52903&hl= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff... Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 My mate jay had the same problem with his, it's designed to be light weight for the competitions so what do you expect, if you don't enter allot of competitions it's pointless really unless you have a shed loads of money and want to buy another every time you break it. Cheers Kyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikamon Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 That was balancing just before wheel swapping on a wet bench, and the front end slid off sideways :) Are you still in Wales now? ← been back and forth 3 times since i text u about my frame but im going away on monday now to start training after that i will have cash to buy a new frame :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 LMFSBAO!!!! if you got a life and just wnet out riding and stopped saying shit you dont know owt about then i would really appreciate your 3pence! but as you have come on and given me some shit that your trying to put your 2pence in, and your always changing opinion and mind mark, i would seriously be careful how you put shit. cos at the mo you come across to me as one of these fags who just sits on here and thinks he knows it all!!!! when it reality you know F**K ALL!!!!! i know you might know "Something" but something is not "Everything" i know alot more :) and always will. iv designed frames myself and put them through their paces. Waynio..................... oh and i think at this point we need to say in this topic "some people need a nice cup of SHUT THE F**K up" bashplates are there to be used YES!but not to be landed on like a tool!its protection like a condom! a condom will split if used in correctly!!!!simple. you dont land on the FRONT of the bash plate do you???? oh and to the "BIU faggots" id like you to stand up in a BIU trial and say that i seriously would you would look the biggest C*CK there. oh and you do BIU too??? :) :) i odnt take things to heart mark but dont teach your grandma how to suck eggs.... thats all you need to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 (edited) Removed, cos i kinda liked this topic. Back to the topic, will arnold says onza have changed the bash mount to the t-pro style one. Woop for onza, you listened to us unlike any other company would. Phil. Edited September 2, 2005 by Hobnobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 I think this topic needs closing.... (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 I think this topic needs closing.... (Y) ← Yup, I can see where this is headed :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Yup, I can see where this is headed :D ← Same as last one. A moderator says "Meh. Old. He's getting a new frame, we all wag our tails, the world goes on" Hopefullly not after 9 pages though (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketrialler Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Wayne, i normally really respect your opinions on this board and you normally add a lot to the discussion but in this case you are arguing that these T Mags are comp frames so dont kill them on the streets because they arent meant for it right. THE SAME THING will happen if you ride natural, and rocky comps on them. Regardless of the weight of the frame, it is missing a simple, very light but efficient support gusset on the bash. This is a blatant case of a frame being released which is not suitable for its intended use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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