MadManMike Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Why? I watch videos, people try and get up large objects, but they fail. So, they stick a leg up and pull the bike up. EVERYONE CLAPS. Why? he failed. He couldn't get up the object, he had to half do it and pull the bike up, looking ABSOLUTELY silly. I don't know who put this rule into comps that you can do this, but it looks bent, and is quite pointless. If you can't get up the given object, you shouldn't be allowed to lift the bike up, one foot on or not. When i'm riding (OK it's street, not comp) if I can't get up a wall or something, I don't feel satisfied putting one foot up and pulling the bike up. It's cheating. Rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Yeh I kinda agree. I guess its just hard to determine the difference technicaslly between a "tactical dab" and a "genuine dab" where you put your foot down due to loss of balance. It annoys me when people use tactical dabs in comps, Id much rather they werent allowed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Papasnap Maher Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Erm, youve never done a comp before i can tell.. Ok, answer this....would you rather 1) try the amazingly huge sidehop , fail and get a 5 because uve stacked, and put both feet down. or 2) Know that....its not beyond your limits but ud rather just play safe, and setlle for the one dab?? (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 well its just the same as if you make a side hop to 2 wheels and then put ur foot down you would still have a dab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-L-B Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 They can't get over the object one way so they dab over it. They're still penalised for it since they acquire a penalty point in the process. You're talking like riders practically walk through sections and that dabs don't count. The point of observed trials is to complete the section within the time allocated with the least points, if dabing over an obstacle will enable you to get through the section in time you do it and take the point. The better riders will clean it so why would they be worried about people dabbing. You don't ride comps so why are you even arsed, get over it. And for the record, since you obviously have little experience of riding comps or needing to dab, some dabs are hard to pull off and it can require a lot of balance and strength. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 wouldnt it be pretty boring people all finishing on "0"????if they all got over and through objects????? as joe says: Erm, youve never done a comp before i can tell.. you should see half of the stuff people have to "TRY" get up at comps, you think that street is big and good try riding a mega well set out section............its propa nails!!!!! it gives you so much more of a workout too, hopping and trying to get up something thats twice as big yet less run up and a super bumpy floor its quality. not having a go but if you do a couple or a few comps you would really change your opinion on the "dabbing" system. yes street looks clean its all then about how big you can go. but natural is about technical ability..........its harder to get through and over something that is tricky rather than get up something that maybe 30 inches and everyone can do it. looking further than the line is where its at. most people will rinse a line and then move on, i tend to like to try/rinse it and then go back for more at it try it different take off or run up or take a different angle to it all. Waynio......................... its all part of the fun. purely though a street video looks more sick than a natural video but thats the way it is its how it can be filmed, sometimes on natural where you wanna film there is a huge tree in the way........ aswell as dave saying: You don't ride comps so why are you even arsed, get over it. And for the record, since you obviously have little experience of riding comps or needing to dab, some dabs are hard to pull off and it can require a lot of balance and strength. dabs are super hard to pull (some of them are anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I sort of have the same opinion too mate. When your practising for a comp, as far as I see it, you should never aim to do a section with a dab. If you can clean a section then great :blink: but if not you, have the dab as a saftey barrier. Whereas if you've practised to do a section with dabs, then the stress of competition will probably make you dab even more. It'll also make you look a tit, but thats not important BTW I've never done a comp, just watched the videos :-" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 The technical dab I think really comes down to two things: 1) The attitude of the rider 2) The size of the object Some riders will not technical dab unless they absolutley have to. They'll throw themselves at any old thing. It's not a question of them riding to win, it's about them proving their skills to themselves. The risk of a five means little compared to the rewards of pushing their skills and cleaning bigger sections than before. Other riders want the best possible score. It's a game of calculated risk. The rewards against the possible gains. Every miscalculation will be rued later. The time that you're too careful and lost a mark, the next section where you were too brave and ended up with a five... Ultimatley some obstacles are just too big and there is simply no choice. You either dab, or leave the section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Ages ago I was practising with another rider an he came up with a very good point, In practise get through the section first, then go back an try to do it for less dabs. So, if you can only get it for a 3 on your first attempt, then fine. Look back over it an see if you can clean the parts you had to have a dab on. Some obstacles are put in to take marks off the "lesser" riders. If you like to 'split the men from the boys'. So that everyone doesnt end up on 0 at the end of the comp. I would be seriously stuck if I couldnt have used tech dabs in the worlds. because at UCI I rode the same class as Cassio, Hermance, Vinco etc etc, an there is no way on Gods green earth that i could get through some of the sections without a tech dab! In a comp you only get one shot at the obstacle, fail an its a five. Street riding you get as many goes as you like till you collapse or get bored of failing! Completely different ball games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 (edited) Why? I watch videos, people try and get up large objects, but they fail. So, they stick a leg up and pull the bike up. EVERYONE CLAPS. Why? he failed. He couldn't get up the object, he had to half do it and pull the bike up, looking ABSOLUTELY silly. I don't know who put this rule into comps that you can do this, but it looks bent, and is quite pointless. If you can't get up the given object, you shouldn't be allowed to lift the bike up, one foot on or not. When i'm riding (OK it's street, not comp) if I can't get up a wall or something, I don't feel satisfied putting one foot up and pulling the bike up. It's cheating. Rant over. ← go ride a comp and come back when you know what the f**k you are talking about. Edited August 22, 2005 by Bucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 ye i tel you who is like you described chris Some riders will not technical dab unless they absolutley have to. They'll throw themselves at any old thing. It's not a question of them riding to win, it's about them proving their skills to themselves. The risk of a five means little compared to the rewards of pushing their skills and cleaning bigger sections than before. Akrigg!!!!! is a major player with that he loves to try things and as do i too, its such a good feeling knowing that at least if you go down for a five you have tried it to start with or sometimes you can even stick a foot out and save the 5 and keep it for a 1 dab BUT it not be a technical dab its just a dab you have had to take if your slipping or out of control :blink: a good example of the other Other riders want the best possible score. It's a game of calculated risk. The rewards against the possible gains. Every miscalculation will be rued later. ben savage, both these riders i tend to look upto in the fact that ben is so young and has won so much and has the attitude that he is good weather or not people say hes a tactical dabber or not who cares he goes out and wins world championships and if thats good enough for him its got to be good enough for everyone else. i have noticed that i have improved alot this year with comp results at the brits and the local comps but i think it goes down to me thinking a little bit more looking more in detail at how the section is and how i can approach it, with like akrigg does i will break the section down and walk it time and time again reminding myself how to tackle it and the hard bits i will look at and go for if there is a half chance of getting it right........ Waynio.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) EDIT: Can't be arsed. No you haven't won, I just can't be arsed to type an arguement. Edited August 23, 2005 by MadManMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 go ride a comp and come back when you know what the f**k you are talking about. ← B) :P :P Nice attempt at starting an arguement... Unfortunately I don't follow the Trials Forum rule of thumb. Nice try though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 EDIT: Can't be arsed. No you haven't won, I just can't be arsed to type an arguement. ← why should it even be an argument? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Because some people aren't allowed opinions... I simply said what I felt, and got bummed for it. IMO it looks silly, and shouldn't be part of the rules IMO But apparently, because i've never rode in a comp, I wouldn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Because some people aren't allowed opinions... I simply said what I felt, and got bummed for it. IMO it looks silly, and shouldn't be part of the rules IMO But apparently, because i've never rode in a comp, I wouldn't know. ← to be honest i dont think you should be giving your opinion on something you havent tried... its like me saying, DAZ doesent get ribena stains outta my white tee-shirt when ive only used VANISH. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 It's nothing like that though, i'm not comparing it to anything. All i'm saying is that I think it's bent and looks stupid, and IMO (THAT'S RIGHT GUYS, IN.... MY..... OPINION) it's a silly rule. There shouldn't be any arguement really, just a "I disagree" or "I agree" not the usual immature "Yoos no jack so f**king shut up innit" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 That wasn't a dig at most of you, some very constructive posts here that almost made me change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugbyman Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 hawzie did a comp last year where you weren't allowed a deliberate dab ie no technical dabs, whilst it was a good idea because it meant everyone HAD to have a go the obstacle, it was difficult to differentiate between a tech dab or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 hawzie did a comp last year where you weren't allowed a deliberate dab ie no technical dabs, whilst it was a good idea because it meant everyone HAD to have a go the obstacle, it was difficult to differentiate between a tech dab or not. ye the porthcawl trophy.............. it can be hard to differentiate a the dab you can get the idea from if someone has a go they are nearly coming off but just stick a foot out in shear desperation. but thats why the porthcawl trophy is and was (hopefully it will carry on B) :P ) and be a good competition.its all about having a go and a good laugh.i tend to find i have more fun and get better results when i have more of a laugh and just chill out. thats how trials should be and is most of the time. if you get chance to go to an event madmanmike i really think you should go to one then you will get the idea of how and why a dab is used and more to the point how tricky some of the smaller parts of sections are too. it really is quite tricky sometimes its not the big bits that catch people out its more the smaller stuff. Waynio.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 It's nothing like that though, i'm not comparing it to anything. All i'm saying is that I think it's bent and looks stupid, and IMO (THAT'S RIGHT GUYS, IN.... MY..... OPINION) it's a silly rule. There shouldn't be any arguement really, just a "I disagree" or "I agree" not the usual immature "Yoos no jack so f**king shut up innit" ← i personnally disagree. :P put yourself in their situation... there's some monstrously large rock that your going to have to get up. and you can only hop like half that height. would u feel more stupid and "bent" putting one foot down to get up it after jumping up half of it, or would you feel more stupid having everyone looking at you while you give up and walk around the obstacle. all i'm saying is i know which one i'd prefer. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Fair point! (Note to everyone else on here, that was a constructive reply, not bitchy like 90% of posts lately) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 its like being stood next to a 60" tyre tap and saying your going to do it but bottling it everytime altho it would look impressive to do its going to take an hour or so to get done (possibly) as an example. but natural is a completly different thing its just so not street. its like comparing Beef to Pork yes there both meat but have different taste :P B)" Waynio.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 I'm quite partial to a good bit of Porking. I mean Pork. Keep it lean B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 At Worlds and similar major competitions, it's fair enough I guess (even though it looks utterly shite B)), but I don't get why people are doing it at club level. At club level, it's not a do-or-die competition, so why bother doing it, really? Club-level comps are generally about just going out, having a fun time and learning something new, so I don't get why more people don't just push themselves a bit more in sections and really go for it. This is coming from someone who reckons anyone who sidehops to pedal should be beaten though, so there we go :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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