andyroo Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 i dont drive fast on.. err popluated roads, main roads ect, not even on country lanes, more controlled and smooth, hence the heal and towing B) pfft, delete this topic please :) ← That statement alone shows that you dont know what youre on about... heel and toeing is useless if your approaching sharp corners at any less than 100mph. The car that you are driving wouldnt be able to rev enough for heel and toeing to even do anything anyway. I would like to hear what you think heel and toeing is, primarily so I can tell you that you know jack shit and then laugh at you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Papasnap Maher Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 That statement alone shows that you dont know what youre on about... heel and toeing is useless if your approaching sharp corners at any less than 100mph. The car that you are driving wouldnt be able to rev enough for heel and toeing to even do anything anyway. I would like to hear what you think heel and toeing is, primarily so I can tell you that you know jack shit and then laugh at you ← NO NO NO NO NO, His uncle is a racing driver, he knows what he's on about (Y) Sorry dave, i just love stirring..Even those u did tell me ur uncle was a racing driver or sumthing (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/howto/art...92/article.html Well that seems like a reet silly thing to learn if you're just going be driving about on the roads (Y) Andyroo, can you actually drive? Just that you seem to post in every car thread, more often than not you'll refer to Top Gear and that cockface Clarkson, but is anything you say from your own experience? Just curious is all . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchman Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 O.k. The 106 rallye is a great little car and i was dead set on getting one as its the closest thing i could find to a mini but after numerous hours of flack from prawn i have finally seen the light. Its still a peugeot 106!!! Anyway the 106 Rallye is peugeots stripped out lighter 106, there are two models, the earlier S1 with a 1.3 engine 100ish horsepower and a 7300rpm redline. Then there is the S2 which is the newer one, rounder etc and a 1.6 engine, still only a 100 odd hp but bags more tourque at the detriment of a lower redline 6500 i think. Insurance can be a bit of a problem with these cars the S1 being group 9 and the S2 group 11. My mate had an S1 and at the age of 18 with no ncb third party fire and theft was paying £1400 which was by far the cheapest available to him. Expect to pay £1500 upwards for an S1 and an S2 at the very least £2300 these are becoming enthusiasts cars and very few of these were made i believe only 1500 of the s1's and even less of the s2's. All in all the rally is a good car that handles very well, (as tic said go kart and hes refering to the standard 1.1 not the rallye with revised suspension)But isnt worth it for a yound driver, your paying as much as you payed for the car in insurance premiums. It all depends on age etc but im guessing as you have just passed your test you are 18 with no ncb so i would stic to something below group 6 ish. It all depends what you are looking for in a car, something convenient, economical or something that handles well and fast. A few good cars: VW 1.0l polo insurance group 3 VW 1.4 polo insurance group 5 Ford KA group 3 a little punto is a good little car and joe may have spent a fair bit on his but the money you say he wasted he actually saved by opting for a car with a smaller engine. Arguably the best car to go for is the classic mini, group 3 insurance, great handling and one of the only cars with a personality my choice tenfold but its all down to personal prefence. Gav does indeed have a pug 205 gti but has installed an Mi16 engine in it, thats peugeots 1.9L 16 valve engine which puts out 160-170 hp, Ivor Saunders also has one (well he did last time i saw him) very nice cars and stupidly fast ( 0-60 in around 5-6 seconds and 130-150 mph (Y) ) too bad insuranc eis high on a gti (Y) Anyway check out ebay for rallye's usually a few on there just search for RALLYE. And check out the 106 owners club site, very informative: www.106rallye.co.uk Hope this helps Cheers Frenchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted August 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 (edited) That statement alone shows that you dont know what youre on about... heel and toeing is useless if your approaching sharp corners at any less than 100mph. The car that you are driving wouldnt be able to rev enough for heel and toeing to even do anything anyway. I would like to hear what you think heel and toeing is, primarily so I can tell you that you know jack shit and then laugh at you lawls maybe your mixing it up with something else, i dunno, but if your not then you clearly have NO idea wtf you talking about, funny though, ive always respected your veiws on things. all it is is reving the engine while changing gear and breaking.... HEEL AND TOEING argue with that then, its exactly what i said. i wont be a cock and tell you your a twat, but id rarther you found out the facts before tryin to make someone look stupid. i guess you got it mixed up with something else (Y) NO NO NO NO NO, His uncle is a racing driver, he knows what he's on about laugh.gif Sorry dave, i just love stirring..Even those u did tell me ur uncle was a racing driver or sumthing thats right joe, he was / stil is, he showed me a few other things for me to practise, all can be done at woteva speed you like, you can heel and toe whilst changing down the gears coming up to a roundabout for example. care to argue MrRoo ? Dave (Y) Edited August 19, 2005 by Mr Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted August 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 (edited) http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/howto/art...92/article.html Well that seems like a reet silly thing to learn if you're just going be driving about on the roads wacko.gif Andyroo, can you actually drive? Just that you seem to post in every car thread, more often than not you'll refer to Top Gear and that cockface Clarkson, but is anything you say from your own experience? Just curious is all . . . well no, 1. i am planning on getting into moto racing, hence why i am also learning to double clutch. and 2. if you read the articale i put up, its mainly to maintain a smoother drive... just shows a more advanced driver really, its not hard AT ALL, but it is very effective! Dave (Y) Edited August 19, 2005 by Mr Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 True but you shouldn't be driving fast enough to necessitate dropping speed that quickly (Y) Anyway, I don't actually drive (well, only having lessons at the mo) so I've not got a clue what I'm chatting about (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted August 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 lol again like i said it can be done at anyspeed (Y) Dave (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishwog Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Your both wrong , both brands are Sss-hite.... Pugs have problems , Fiats have problems.... Sorry but the 106 Rally looks a bag of shit , A muppett who lives round the corner from me has one , with a royally shite custom numberplate.... ← So do, tell me what band of car DOESN'T have genetic problems? i dont drive fast on.. err popluated roads, main roads ect, not even on country lanes, more controlled and smooth, hence the heal and towing (Y) pfft, delete this topic please (Y) ← Hmmm...... just applying rally driving tactics to general road driving makes me think your being a bit of an arse..... you shouldn't be having to change gears so quickly and at higher speeds to have to match the rev's up, if your not driving like a loon. And, it hasd to be said, driving like a loon does nothing but cost shit loads of money. I used to drive like a nut bar, have had a big accident involving spinning round and round at about 60mph, had to spend £390 on a gearbox rebuild, just spent £200 on a new clutch and clutch cable, and the dents involving the accident cost £411.95 to repair.... That;s already 30% over what I paid for the car? Mature? No...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 There's a difference between being a good driver, and driving fast, you do realise? Anyone can just rip along then jam on the brakes, slam into a corner, then rip out. There's no skill in that at all. The only 'skill' is finding a fast car that you can do that in. Clappity clap. Being a good driver is about being smooth. My Dad is an advanced driving and riding instructor (set both of the schools up himself, and got trained to train traffic police for high speed pursuits and so on). I don't think we've ever ripped up to a corner, slammed the brakes on, turned in, then just razzed out, yet he's still ridiculously quick when he needs to be. You just sound like everyone else who's just passed their test, all eager to just drive fast everywhere and see how far they can push it. The only difference is is that you've learnt heel and toeing. Woo. A gear change doesn't really elevate you above everyone else, you realise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I always thought heel -toe was about clucth control and eliminating jerky shifts, Think you're meaning double de clutching up there (Y)" Pretty pointless if you ask me anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OD404 Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 There's a difference between being a good driver, and driving fast, you do realise? Anyone can just rip along then jam on the brakes, slam into a corner, then rip out. There's no skill in that at all. The only 'skill' is finding a fast car that you can do that in. Clappity clap. Being a good driver is about being smooth. My Dad is an advanced driving and riding instructor (set both of the schools up himself, and got trained to train traffic police for high speed pursuits and so on). I don't think we've ever ripped up to a corner, slammed the brakes on, turned in, then just razzed out, yet he's still ridiculously quick when he needs to be. You just sound like everyone else who's just passed their test, all eager to just drive fast everywhere and see how far they can push it. The only difference is is that you've learnt heel and toeing. Woo. A gear change doesn't really elevate you above everyone else, you realise? ← Exactly, I drove like a tit when I first started. A prang and 3 points later, I now drive a lot calmer. There's a place for things like heel and toe techniques, and it's called a race track. If you spend time on the track then fair enough its something to learn, but I don't really think it has any place on the public road. If it did, we would all have been taught it. To second what others have said, driving fast does not make you a good driver, on public roads. I know a lot of people who have fast cars (Porsches, Astons etc) who drive sensibly on the open road, they save the fast driving for the track. That is more of a mark of a good driver than being able to heel and toe on a roundabout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil white Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 (edited) yawn! (Y) grandfather trials-forum's top tips on life i see boys and girls. if you wish to heel-toe, heel-toe! if you wish to drive fast, drive fast! just do it on a private road or track and don't put passengers at risk! if you endanger no life but your own then you do as you please, as everyone does in life! even those zimmer pushing flat cap wearing t-f moaning old men that are old before there time break the rules sometimes, believe it or not! be safe boys and girls! (Y) Edited June 30, 2006 by phil white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted August 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 (Y) all i see is people saying what ive said yesterday, a good drivers not about driving fast, but smooth........heel and toeing, who ever said save it for the race track if it was important everyone would have been taught it, thats bollox, you get taught to pass your test not to drive smoothly. i cant even be arsed to argue anymore, i wouldnt be surprised if half of the poeple moaning cant even drive, or cant drive to save there lifes. if your all so mature why keep posting and argueing ? :P like i said last night, close the fooking topic (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Campbell Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 (edited) (Y) all i see is people saying what ive said yesterday, a good drivers not about driving fast, but smooth........heel and toeing, who ever said save it for the race track if it was important everyone would have been taught it, thats bollox, you get taught to pass your test not to drive smoothly. i ← disclaimer: IM NOT HAVING A GO - this is my opinion (if you dont like it tell me, dont swear or insult me ok) I'm pretty sure you have to be a smooth & safe driver to pass your test. If you jerky gear change, brake really hard and late or accelerate far too quickly you will get failed. Fair enough you learn't an advanced technique for driving quickly. BUT I would have thought if your driving sensibly on the road you will be able to change gear smoothly with-out a need to blip the throttle. I have got into a habbit on the down change of blipping to match the revs, i don't remember why I started and I cant stop myself now also I know its probably not the best way of doing it i just brake clutch blip clutch and continue to brake or accelerate no rolling the foot just a blip to even the revs up. It makes downchanges smoother but im sure it would be rubbish on a track or if I was driving really quickly and if i was a bit slower into corners I wouldnt need it at all. Your new so you are not going to have the ability of someone who has had years of experiance driving on the roads. FACT. I am not doubting your car control or your ability to double de clutch (no idea how you even do that) or your heel toe stuff just you actual road experiance. In my opinion good driving is awareness and car control in equal measure. Smoothness should be a by product of control. I think thats all I have to say. mmm essay Dan Edited August 19, 2005 by dan_brisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 a mate of mine seriously looked into getting a rallye a while back, and from what i can tell, the original version (the 100bhp 1.3) was a pretty awesome car! sure, it wouldnt have a hope in hell of keeping up with my mini, but 100bhp in a car that weight cant be laughed at! i really like rallyes! pug tried to do something retro, and pulled it off! its hardly an echo of the 205 T16 days, but its still a pretty funky motor! if you can afford to insure a rallye (around a grand for most youngsters) id get one! your gona make the saxo boys lok stupid...... EDIT: driving is a strange thing.... and experience plays a HUGE part in it! ive been driving for 9 years now, and YES, i do consider myself a good driver (ive got 36 trophies-from 3 years racing to prove it) but ive still got LOADS to learn! SURE, i can safely get my mini sliding sideways around a roundabout, and i can do a perfect J-turn on an unused strip of road.... but that doesnt make you a good driver being SAFE makes you a good driver. if your going to drive fast on public roads, the main thought in your mind should be: what if theres a car comming the other way, doing a simlilar speed to me? if you will still be safe in that situation, your not going TOO fast, if an oncomming car spells trouble, SLOW DOWN!-your pushing the limit. also-i fimrly believe the best thing any young person with a car can do, is take it up to an unused airfield, and totaly loose controll.... its only when you have pushed hard, found the limit, and then pushed acorss it, that you can truely know where the limit is.... until you have explored that point, and well and truely understand where is it, you have no right to push hard on public roads! doing so simply makes you a danger to public saftey! i know im not in much of a position to talk, ages 18, but i have done a LOT of driving, and owned many different cars. i will however admit, that my mini now is pushing my abilities-its just SO quick! sinse fitting my new engine ive had to learn a whole new style of driving, no more can i just floor or out of a bend-it just spins the wheels now! ive had to learn a new style, easing the power in until im at full throttle, pulling well past 70mph in 2nd gear! and its awesome! sorry for the awfully long post, but to sum it all up dont drive like a dick-until you have been somewhere private and TOTALLY lost contoll-you have NO idea where the limit is, and trying to find that limit on public roads is asking to be killed.... even then, know your capabilities, and DONT EVER push yourself to show off to mates!-i can scare my mates shitless without using even 70% of my driving ability-you MUST know whats safe, and you must know what your car is capable of-especially when it comes to how fast you can overtake another car-as that can be life or death if your still trying to pass someone by the time you reach a corner.... sorry for the randomness-and longness of my post, im slightly drunk! buts i mean every word od what ive said! even if some of it doesnt come across in the way its ment to.... and on another note, i noticed someone slagged of jeremy clarkson go home, you arab! JC is one of the greatest men that ever lived-FACT JC for PM!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishwog Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 go home, you arab! JC is one of the greatest men that ever lived-FACT JC for PM!!!! ← You know it (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 lets start a campaign! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Has anyone seen my shoe? Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Can I add to the campain? How do you do that attachment thingy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 It's a feature that SM's have (Y) Jeremy Clarkson is a stuck-up prat who (whenever I've seen him) will never listen to anyone's opinion on cars, instead he'll make some really unfunny comment then people will laugh because he's Jeremy Clarkson. Hell, this is the guy that made jeans unfashionable (Y) Harsh thing to say but if he somehow died in a car accident I would laugh my my socks off* :D" __________________________ *I'm not wishing death on the chap before anyone says . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 It's a feature that SM's have (Y) Jeremy Clarkson is a stuck-up prat who (whenever I've seen him) will never listen to anyone's opinion on cars, instead he'll make some really unfunny comment then people will laugh because he's Jeremy Clarkson. Hell, this is the guy that made jeans unfashionable (Y) Harsh thing to say but if he somehow died in a car accident I would laugh my my socks off* :D" __________________________ *I'm not wishing death on the chap before anyone says . . . ← Wrong, he is a god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyroo Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/howto/art...92/article.html Well that seems like a reet silly thing to learn if you're just going be driving about on the roads (Y) Andyroo, can you actually drive? Just that you seem to post in every car thread, more often than not you'll refer to Top Gear and that cockface Clarkson, but is anything you say from your own experience? Just curious is all . . . ← Certainly can, I am the proud owner of a 307 2.0l TDi (in my gallery if you wanna look at it). And you dont need to heel and toe when driving a car normally, or even a bit faster than normal... its pointless... (Y) No smoother than just moving your foot over from the brake to the throttle to get the revs up, and anyway, you shouldnt need to get the revs up that high for the next gear down unless your driving like a twat. And even if you think Jeremy Clarkson is an idiot, he has still driven all the cars known to man, whereas noone on this forum has. Also I use the topgear site a lot because it is actually very useful, and the whole thing isnt written by Jeremy Clarkson anyway. So na Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukeee Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 So do, tell me what band of car DOESN'T have genetic problems? ← Bentley (Y) (Y) Most cara have problem but Pugs , fiat and a few other seem to have alot more than others..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Bentley (Y) (Y) Most cara have problem but Pugs , fiat and a few other seem to have alot more than others..... ← I'd say they have, the fooking great price! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Campbell Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 You know it (Y) ← Wrong, he is a god ← YES YES YES Clarkson is a genius. He is runing out of metaphors slowly but is still funny and still seems to get a real thrill from doing things that i'm sure most of us would absolutly love to do. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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