RyanRs Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 I no i shuld go down halfords and use the spoke measuring tool, but its a wee journey from my house and i gather one of you might no the answer here, so ill ask.... I would like to no what spoke length(s) i would need to lace up a King ISO hub to a V!Z 46mm 26" rim (the new hexagon cutout one) 4x stylee err 32 hole. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 sorry i have no measurements, but is 4x really necessary? you backwheel will weigh a ton.....get a good builder on 3x and itll be fine :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Go 3x. 260/262 :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanRs Posted July 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Oke, 3x it is then. cheers peeps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 (edited) Go 3x. 260/262 :S ← Too much knowledge!! :D Good work peeps. Edited July 21, 2005 by derf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 4x would make the wheel flex like a mother trucker!!!! i have started using x2 drive side and radial non drive and same for the front, makes landing feel harder on your wrists but deffinatly increases power out of the rear wheel its nearlty like 4 wheel drive action!!!!! Waynio..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 (edited) Hmm waynio. Sorry to piss on your fire, but maybe you're just landing harder. Straight from Jobst Brandt: A 290mm spoke is 3% stiffer than a 300mm spoke of the same type. Since spokes stretch elastically about 0.1mm on a hard bump (not ordinary road ripples), the elastic difference between the radial and cross-three wheel is 3% x 0.1mm = 0.003mm. Copier paper is 0.075mm thick, and if you can feel that when you ride over it on a glassy smooth concrete surface, please let me know. You have greater sensitivity than the lady in "the princess and the pea" fable. Edited July 22, 2005 by Hobnobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 trust me mate its not about how stiff "A" spoke is!!!!! Radial is the stiffest you can lace a wheel if you do not believe me then my boss as an EX PRO racer is a complete arse then eh????? i do not think so. ask tarty??? a less crossed wheel is STIFFER. the more you cross the less stiff it is. look at a bmx wheel that is 4x :D :S Waynio..................... trust me im a bike doctor iv been in the trade for 5years............and built wheels since i was 16!!!!! I can feel a difference, if you cant you havent ridden enough. iv ridden trials for nearly 5years too. im sorry but i dont want this to seem harsh but i am speaking the truth and from an exp[erienced road racer where stiffness and acceleration is quite important i doubt my boss who has been in the cycle industry about 25years would be wrong???? or would you if you have 1/2/3/4/5 years???? experience wish to differ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Never really thought about this much before, but I have read statistics that a radial wheel is 15-20% stiffer SIDEWAYS than a 3x one. When it comes to torque... I would have thought more crosses would equal better power transfer - since the spokes are more tangential to the hub. I feel a doodle coing on... :- Its pretty much impossible to tell on a bike which wheel is stiffer, unless you keep EVERYTHING else the same, and change just the wheel. Is that what you've done Wayne? Edit: Picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 I *think* i get you with the torque thing. Its like the hub is pulling on the spokes to turn the rim, which can be done by a single spoke. much like a dog on a lead :- Whereas the radial requires a all the spokes to be tight, and pushes the rim around. Thats the way im thinking anyway. As for the stiffness thing, I have no idea. I used a 4x for my rear wheel because I was told it was the strongest type using G-sport BMX < Their wheel build guide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 I've noticed where the spokes cross, they bend in a curve around each other, if you load it its going to straighten out a bit, so the fewer crosses, the less give there'll be in the wheel, which would explain the harsher feeling sir waynio was describing :- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Well that quote was from sheldon browns site, i was under the impression he was a pretty experienced bloke. I wasn't saying that i personally knew the difference, but that was what i had read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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