Amp Separates + Speakers

[andyroo]

I'm tempted. Not sure yet though.

I want quality, but I want it to be loud too :-

Might get the Mission M34i's now you mention it though.

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Dont worry about volume, that amp will give you volume, and either of the m33's or m44's will easily cope with it...

[The enchanted broomstick]

i happen to know exactly what quality is but the mission speakers arent that brilliant wharfedale ones will rip the pants off of mission speakers most technics speakers will (if you can still find them) and well bose speakers hit the top of the line really. I just know that them mission speakers dont have a very big voice coil or magnet so they cant bounce very far meaning that as soon as you start pumping bass into them they are just going to fart and distort meaning one unsatisfied forum member.

PA speakers arent muffled!!!! dunno where you got that crap from but its a load of bull mate, maybe cheap little ones are but thats the same with hi-fi stuff as well.

just trying to give the advice, stu :-

[andyroo]

i happen to know exactly what quality is but the mission speakers arent that brilliant wharfedale ones will rip the pants off of mission speakers most technics speakers will (if you can still find them) and well bose speakers hit the top of the line really. I just know that them mission speakers dont have a very big voice coil or magnet so they cant bounce very far meaning that as soon as you start pumping bass into them they are just going to fart and distort meaning one unsatisfied forum member.

PA speakers arent muffled!!!! dunno where you got that crap from but its a load of bull mate, maybe cheap little ones are but thats the same with hi-fi stuff as well.

just trying to give the advice, stu :-

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His budget wont cover anywhere near those that you are suggesting, are they? So its just teasing him isnt it! Missions are very good for the money.

PA speakers designed to give long-throw sound at a distance, not right up close, or inside a normal sized room in a house! If you are within a couple of metres of a pa speaker, it just sounds like noise. the whole point of a pa speaker is to publicly address people, if you were so right, then all the best speakers for home stereos would be pa speaker style... but theyre not.

[andyroo]

speaking of wharfedale and expensiveness, ive just spotted these which have gone from way over budget to a good price.

you may want to consider. your best bet is to google it and search for reviews on them both, and others, not take too much advice from people on a trials forum.

[Dai the Socket]

speaking of wharfedale and expensiveness, ive just spotted these which have gone from way over budget to a good price.

you may want to consider. your best bet is to google it and search for reviews on them both, and others, not take too much advice from people on a trials forum.

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I've found those speakers cheaper through Kelkoo. £215 posted.

I was thinking about these?

I'm gonna visit Richer sounds and ask their opinions really. £220 budget on speakers to be realistic. I don't want to be paying more than that. I want to make sure it's right for the type of music that will be listened to through them. Ones which aren't designed for acoustic stuff!

Nick..

[mink]

I'd check out ebay, there's loads of stuff going fairly cheap on there.

I just got a Cambridge A1 amp, Cambridge Cd player, Pioneer speakers, and a Panasonic central monitor for £51.

[modx-lite]

  I'd check out ebay, there's loads of stuff going fairly cheap on there.

I just got a Cambridge A1 amp, Cambridge Cd player, Pioneer speakers, and a Panasonic central monitor for £51.

Gotta love the pimping A1 amp, I got the same from Richer Sounds. Really not keen on the looks fof it but for the money the sound is great. I was happy with getting just the amp for #100!

I've got Mission M71 speakers and I'm happy with those too, especially for the money (mine were #70) - click here. Although I do think there are better options. I THINK it was these that got awesome reviews so they might be worth a look - click here

But like others have said, I;d recommend just going in to your nearest Richer Sounds store and asking them what they reccommend - everyone I've spoken to in their are reallyf riendly and seem to know their stuff without pushing you into buying anything. Also, haggle with them! I got something like #30 of cables thrown in for free when I got my CD deck and speakers!

Good luck

[MadManMike]

PA Speakers aren't muffled. I have 4 soundlab 300w ones and they sound awesome, and bang 200% louder than any hifi i've ever used!

[andyroo]

PA Speakers aren't muffled. I have 4 soundlab 300w ones and they sound awesome, and bang 200% louder than any hifi i've ever used!

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But theyre not for small rooms; if you listened to my speakers compared to yours, sure yours will go louder, but it would just be painfull to listen too; you wouldnt the clarity or precision of the sound from mine.

If you are right then why dont all the fancy stereo system manufacturers just make PA style speakers instead of the ones they do make?

[The enchanted broomstick]

But theyre not for small rooms; if you listened to my speakers compared to yours, sure yours will go louder, but it would just be painfull to listen too; you wouldnt the clarity or precision of the sound from mine.

If you are right then why dont all the fancy stereo system manufacturers just make PA style speakers instead of the ones they do make?

Why dont they all make them like PA, simply because of the amount of power PA speakers require, they take much more power seeing as it is a Power Amplifier system rather than just frequency being put out a big amount of voltage is also being recieved by the speakers, enough that you can even power some lights off of the input to the speakers. Have you ever noticed the hefty price tag to go with PA equipment, yes you will notice that its much more expensive to buy PA then normal house hi-fi equipment mainly because of the manufacturing process that is involved and protection units like thermistors to stop it overheating, fans to keep the heatsinks cool and surge protection all add to the value.

Now i cant see why everbody would want an amp and speakers that cost that much money just for their house but the odd few people wouldnt mind spending that sort of money because they know that it does sound awesome.

Like MadManMike said he has sound soundlab speakers ok so soundlab isnt top of the line for performance and quality but they still bloody kick hard and loud, when you get a little more expensive like celestion, peavey, jbl and mach audio equipment the quality along with performance would knock a hi-fi into the ground anyday.

The reason you think PA stuff is muffled and poor quality is because you have either never heard a decent system or the person's who you have listened to has poorly set it up and probably not used the graphic equalizer properly, if these arent setup right yeah i agree it would sound poor but the same with any stereo. Dont be judgemental they wouldnt sell if they sounded crap and thats no matter how big a room they are being used in.

Just some facts i would like to put across to you.

cheers, stu :turned:

[MadManMike]

Yeah and most people don't need the power that PA speakers produce. Hi-Fi is fine for my parents for example, they just play David Gray quietly. I'm an amatuer DJ / Producer, and need the noise. Some songs I make sound great on quiet hi-fi's but when blasted in club-style conditions (The place my music is meant to be played in) the song will sound awful.

It just depends what you need, I need power, some people just need style and quietish speakers.

[andyroo]

Blah...

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PA stands for Public Address, and thats what they are for, getting sound out right to the back of a hall, and filling large spaces. From a distance they sound great, like in a concert or something, but close up, its just too much to pick out any individual sounds, its just one big mess.

I used to run the PA syste for my old church which filled a prtty damn big hall, and from the back, the sound would be completely different to if you were close. Also, for movies and stuff, the sound stage they produce is rubbish, you dont get the sound coming at you naturally from where its supposed to, you know its coming from the speakers themselves.

Like I say, I prefer high quality audio, not loud stadium filling audio, (although my 6x 120 watt amp does give some rather nice volume when you want it :turned: )

[Dai the Socket]

A bit old I know but I've got some ideas / questions - ness

I've still got my Setup of the Sony amp + CD deck, then Mission M33 speakers

I'm pretty happy with them, but I think the speakers are a little but too big, and due to my bedroom shape it's hard to simulate anywhere near surround sound even when bouncing it off walls.

I was wondering whether I'd be able to use my Amp (Sony TA-FE370) to link up a set of these smaller Mission speakers (Mission M31i)

I was wondering whether my amp would power the 4 speakers okay? Or do I need to change anything?

Cheap as possible thanks

[MadManMike]

I may not have grasped it properly, but I assume you have a pair of speakers and are looking at the M3's in addition (Very good choice btw).

If so, is your amp just stereo or quadraphonic?

Meaning is there just bare wire connectors for 2 speakers or 4?

If there's space for 4, yeah you'll be fine.

Also, may I suggest Q Acoustics 1010 speakers?

I stock them in my shop @ 99 pounds a pair, they just won 5 stars in What HiFi - cheaper than the missions and a lot of people say they're the best for that kinda size...

[Dai the Socket]

No it's not Quad

It's just got two red ones and two black ones Which means I'm guessing it just powers one pair or speakers which is pretty rubbish.

I listen to a lot of Rock / Drum and Bass music, so I'm looking for something that can handle a lot of bass without killing the treble or mid tones. Any ideas?

I guess I'd quite like to add to or replace my current speakers, a bit of a change really.

I've got a little bit of money spare at the moment so wouldn't mind getting myself a little 'more' kitted out before I go off to Uni next year. It's just the speakers I've got at the moment are really big, as they're floor standers, but I find that although they're immense quality, when turned up loud, the bass kills everything

[Walleee]

Depending on the impendance (ohm ratings) you may be able to have two speakers running from one output. If you amp goes down to 2 ohms/output, two 4 ohm speaker's could be used from each output, it's it goes down to 4, you'd need two 8 ohm's. I think that's how it works, I used to be able to rhyme this stuff off when I played bass and had to set-up amp's and stuff but havn't done it in ages now....

[MadManMike]

Yeah you have to be careful when putting 2 speakers on one terminal, if you overload the amp that's it...

But yeah as Jake said, if you used 4 8 Ohm speakers you'd be ok (I read the specs and it said the amp goes down to 4 Ohm)

If they are 4 Ohm speakers you won't be able to...

What I can supply you, is a speaker switch box - Basically you could have either pair on, or both pairs, running from your amp.

Let me know if you want more info mate.

[CBProductions]

Again like everyone else has said , stress the wire options and also the amp as well as they can make a difference.

I like and use wharfdale nearfield monitors at the moment with a cheap sanyo amp an good cables and that sounds good from where I sit and I aint just listening to music.

You cant really skimp on parts of audio because its like a puzzle it all slots in together.

Just save an extra month and get the more expensive of the options.

Edited December 4, 2006 by CBProductions

[JTM]

Why do you want 4 speakers?! Music was never recorded to be listened to in that manner. Its recorded in stereo, ie a left and right channel.

You dont want 4 speakers.

If you get bookshelf speakers your gonna want them on stands, so they dont take up any less room really. If your finding distortion at high volumes, you need to consider a few things. First, what is your source? A IPOD? A pc? or a CD player? If your answer is a CD player, and your using REAL CDs not blag ones, then you need a beefier amp.

[tomturd]

You dont want 4 speakers.

Agreed. And go second hand if I were you. Seems you've made your mind up already pretty much so not much point in me saying anything. I got a pair of B&W 601 S2 speakers for £110 and a marantz amp (sooo so much better than my 5.1 yamaha lump) for I'd guess £15. Sounds wonderful, which is the main thing, and cost me less than half of what it would have been new (including 'unbeatable' offers)

My advice: Go second hand, for £250 you could get a setup worth twice that a year or 2 ago easily. Do plenty of research, it took me over 6 months to find the speakers I was after. I decided to go for a marantz amp after I heard my mates, gives a much richer, fuller sound than my Yamaha which was bought new - I only knew this after I'd heard it though, so make sure you listen to the amp/speakers before you buy - richer sounds should do this for you if you go to one of their shops. And get decent speaker cables (as has been mentioned). Most importantly, don't rush - it seems you've decided on the whole setup in a night, which you're going to have to listen to for maybe a couple of years before its worth upgrading. I made that mistake, now I have an amp which I don't like, and 5 eltax speakers which seemed like a bargain at the time, but are infact shite. Cost me £300 for the lot, now worth about £120 I'd guess.