steve bain Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 hey all, i'm a newbie...obviously...so be nice, been out of riding for a few years now, then on a bit of a spur of the moment thing went and bought myself a bike. i know this is a trials forum and i am interested in that too but am more into just having fun and doing most things really! anyhow, i have vee brakes at the moment, deore and avid, and my mate says i'm gonna want disks pretty soon, but i used to be quite happy with vee's, even if they were weak at times,what does everyone think, will i really, i like doing big drops, jump and general street riding. would hydraulic rim brakes be better?be a lot cheaper than building new wheels etc. how progressive are rim brakes? what do you all use and think? take it easy all, steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siders77 Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 This is the setup I have on my bike now. Avid Juicy 7 front disc and Magura HS33 on the back. Which I think is ace (Y) If you don't want to spend that much money you could always grind your rims and get some better pads. For example Plazmatics. (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bain Posted July 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 was thinking of grinding my rims as there only cheap ass ones that i don't care about. to be honest i have not even taken delivery of it yet, hopefully monday or tuesday (fingers crossed) so it needs a bit of tlc straight away! its just my mate has not shut up about brakes, and to be honest he is probably right, just a bit unsure of spending more on the brakes than i did the bike!! so maybe getting hydraulic rears may be a good idea... here it is, £180 for it, what do you think? will be ok for a bit till things start to annoy me, then i'm going to pummel my bank account (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MesaMan Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 I'm running bike wrecking Hope minis front AND rear (I know) Make sure you've got disc hubs before you go buying em, I spent a fortune on my rear wheel, Mavic rim on Hope Bulb. The Hopes are nice and modular, never ran Mags etc so can't comment. - apart from V's a $hite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 To be perfectly honest if you like dirt jumping and street riding I'd be inclined to go for some decent vee brakes. The problem with the disciplines you're into is that it's a lot of trial and error involved in perfecting tricks and stuff so you bail a lot and I know from riding dirt and street back in the day your bars always spin a hundred times and this can and (sods law) will result in ripping out hoses! I wouldn't bother with discs myself, unless your gonna be riding in the wet a lot or doing BIG downhill runs and stuff, in which case vees won't really be up to it. Also, MesaMan you mention that you spent a fortune on the wheels so you could run discs... But if you're money conscious why did you buy pricey stuff? You can pick up front and rear disc wheels dirt cheap! Some real good quality ones too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MesaMan Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 I went into the shop (after warping my last rear) and said I want a bomb proof rear wheel, looked at the stuff and blew loads of money - spur of the moment thing. A year on and it's still as true as the day i bought it, without having to touch a spoke! Oh and it wasn't so I could run discs, I already was, it was just for strength. After face planting a simple 3 foot drop (street) casue of gear failing, I need to trust my equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 So why did you say for him to make sure he has the right wheels etc because YOU spent a fortune? That's like me saying 'don't buy a car I bought a lambi once and it cost me a fortune!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MesaMan Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Don't be an idiot I told him to check he already had disc hubs otherwise he's going to have to shell out on new hubs too! Don't get out your pram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bain Posted July 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 hey guys, no need for that, yeah i get what you guys are says...just be aware of extra costs basically. the bar spinning thing is an exellent point, because that does happen tones. mmm? i just don't know. like i said, haven't actually ridden it yet so the v's may be fine, just getting excited and a bit ahead of myself :"> already got new crank arms too (Y) my mate who goes on about disks does ride a full sus and likes fast hills as well as play riding so he probably needs them more than me. i was adding it up, v's, got them so free magura's, about £50 secondhand disks, £80 for brakes and £100 for wheels secondhand so disks will be loads more...maybe i should just see how i get on with v's. it has deore and avid v's. they any good? been out of riding for a few years so don't really have a clue anymore also drilling rims with 12mm bit in between the spokes. good or bad idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomturd Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Auto Reply The topic starter has been validated. Moving topic from New Members Chat to Trials Chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_bush Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 For the money that base looks really good. If i was you i would buy a rear hs33, and then with your vee brake use all the best stuff. So then you would have a rear hs33 with good braking power and a front vee brake that works good. I wouldn't get a disk because. 1 you could bend/snap the rotor. 2 It will cost more. 3 It will only have a tiny bit more power. But hey its your choice. Thanks Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bain Posted July 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 i think that is what i will do, hs33 are pretty cheap really. steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 If you look arround in the forsale forum you can get a rear hs33 for about £30. Personally i say stick with a front vee for now and get a second hand magura on the rear (N) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 deore and avid vee's are fine - I would much rather run deore calipers over the more expensive shimano ones (xt/xtr). as with all brakes, set up in important - what pads have you got? the deore pads are crap - i would buy decent pads for the rear - heatsink, plaz, echo and run the avid pads on the front. (N) nowt wrong with vee's for most riding apart from V's a $hite stop talking out your ass! what set up did you try? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 was thinking of grinding my rims as there only cheap ass ones that i don't care about. to be honest i have not even taken delivery of it yet, hopefully monday or tuesday (fingers crossed) so it needs a bit of tlc straight away! its just my mate has not shut up about brakes, and to be honest he is probably right, just a bit unsure of spending more on the brakes than i did the bike!! so maybe getting hydraulic rears may be a good idea... here it is, £180 for it, what do you think? will be ok for a bit till things start to annoy me, then i'm going to pummel my bank account (N) ← With that front brake, take some cable out and it'll feel ten times better. Leave enough slack to X-up I guess (if you want barspin-ability, get a hollow star-nut bolt), but you can take a lot out and it'll immediately feel nicer and will probably work a lot better too. It should be fine if you do that, pretty much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 yea i made the switch from Vee's to a HS33 recently i find it is a lot quicker to release and feels a bit nicer. But after removal found the original pads for it were absloutly skinned and had no wear left in them. Try getting hold of some pads should cost u about £7ish for a decent pair. I wouldn't choose disks personally, if you catch a disk on a wall or bail out of a dirt jump and it knocks its disk not gonna be pretty. About shortening your cables it will make the brakes feel nicer but will restrict the movement of bar spins. looking to get a 2nd bike to mess bout on like that soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 a pair of magura hs 33's would be great with some koolstop pads, dont bother with the 05 hs33's cus they are wank go for some 04 ones :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bain Posted July 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) cheers for all the advice everyone, as i mentioned earlier i am being a bit ahead of myself as the bike will arrive in the next couple of days, hence that really long cable, and the fact the rear one is so badly zip tied on, it is what the previous owner did!! from what people are saying it looks like the deore up front(with new pads?, as i have no clue what is on it now, probably nothing!) and a hs33 at the rear. what is the difference between the hs33 and hs11 apart from £20 odd quid? is the hs33 worth the extra, i'm gonna go advertise for a maggie now... steve edit: pissin-on-the-fence, it should be a good fun bike to ride, find out when i get it i suppose, just wanted an all round kind of bike, what are you thinking of getting? Edited July 18, 2005 by steve bain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 what is the difference between the hs33 and hs11 apart from £20 odd quid? is the hs33 worth the extra, i'm gonna go advertise for a maggie now... steve ← Different (much better) lever on the HS33, and a booster. The HS11 is pretty much a waste of money for trials I would say. There are plenty of second hand HS33's kicking about, just get one :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Different (much better) lever on the HS33, and a booster. The HS11 is pretty much a waste of money for trials I would say. There are plenty of second hand HS33's kicking about, just get one :P ← And a hs11 broke my elbow (and that was on a 20") so i say avoid (i was running an avid 2.0 at the time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bain Posted July 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 quite alot then from just two comments, love your ittle picy of the man by the way, he's funny, he ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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