British, Biketrial Team Selection

[ellingtj]

Well all I can say is that I'm dissappointed that the Butlers are not entered into the Worlds. I'm aware of the 'incident' but that was three years ago and I know that some people out there don't forget or forgive. I really wish some hatchets would be burried.

so much for team GB.

[monkeyseemonkeydo]

I don't really give much of a shit what people who "orbit the Butlers" say, they DO piss people off.  At rides/comps/on the internet, there are many stories of them pissing people off, and people just generally disliking them.  This is typically because of their outspoken nature and general attitude.

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I'm not going to bad mouth the Butlers as I've only met them a few times although I've known them for many years and have never been exposed to the bad attitude people are mentioning. What I do know is that they are very talented riders and based on riding ability I have no doubt that they deserve to represent the UK.

Dave

[Mark W]

Yeah, I'm not saying that they aren't good riders (well, Dave probably isn't (Y)). I just mean that if they didn't get their shiz in in time, then they're asking for the rules to be bent. This is where the problem comes in as they've made a lot of enemies, which is what I was saying earlier...

[monkeyseemonkeydo]

Fair do's.

[totaltrials]

Yeah, I'm not saying that they aren't good riders (well, Dave probably isn't (Y)).  I just mean that if they didn't get their shiz in in time, then they're asking for the rules to be bent.  This is where the problem comes in as they've made a lot of enemies, which is what I was saying earlier...

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July 5th is the closing date:

The closing date for the British Round of the World Championship at Addingham has now been set by Japan as 5th July.

This means they must have got the entry in on time.

Also, you cannot get 10 penalty points for spitting on the floor which is the only place he spat.

Phil.

Edited July 6, 2005 by totaltrials

[Matt_Tupman]

I'm also slightly confused over the 10 Penalty points given to dan butler at addingham to prevent him from taking 1st spot, what is the exact reason for this so, as I'm sure a lot of people would like to know as you can't give penalty point out wherever.

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I presumed it was for the extremely bad language he was emitting on section 6 after getting the five that he shouldn't have got?? You were there Phil you heard him :S I know it wasn't a five but both Danny and his dad were shouting and swearing at the observer and that is an automatic 10 is it not? Regardless of the situation.

The closing date for entries for the 2005 World Championship series was 18th May. Entries then have to be processed, the team selected, and the UK's entry sent to Japan early in June

Also found this on the Biketials UK site which clearly says the closing date is the 18th of May and not the 5th of July. It also said this on my entry form for Round 1 of the world champs

Edited July 7, 2005 by Xdream

[Waynio]

i aint getting too involved with this but i think the following:

Reputation????

the dispute on section 6 what ever happened happned just imagine it being done at the wolrds???? the reputation of team GB is on the line?????

the other thing was back on Page 2 everyone is bringing the dead back alive.

FFS!!!! GROW THE FUK UP THE BVASTARD f***ing LOT OF YOU!!!!!!!!

shall i tell you why????? the selection hasd been made nothing can be changed. if you dont like it dont turn up? simple as that. i just cant stand all this petty shit that is happening. can people just get on with it and ignore the fact. i would have know that the follwoing names would be a big part of this:

Onzabob = rob poyzer

Aust = Austin Wright

Slingshot = Ben Slinger

theres way too much conflict going on..........

why cant everyone just get on like the other thread that i started. personally i feel this thread should be deleted and burned!

i dont see why there has to be the problems arise between people i want to put names to it but there is no point as it wont be changed. people try with other people and then the other person doesnt try.

Waynio.............................

i feel the ban going on....................at the end of the day im putting my point across AGAIN "trials is way too small!" whats happened has happened lets all just forget it and look forward to them being in the team next year?eh????

[Waynio]

Read tims post on Page3!!!!!

its the only one that god damn makes sense.

Waynio.......................

if people like bitching then keep bitching, but most of us dont need it, the sport is not big enough. god i wish someone like Martyn Ashton or a big named pro would come on and just tell everyone to get on with it and stop all the petty winging SH!T!

people would then listen and the people who chose not to would be the people who are putting trials in Disrepute.....................and then people would look at it and think well yes "this" "this" this and "this" are just causing too much of this and then hopefully people would think well at least their view and opinion would not matter at all.

also rob i personally have nothing against you i think your a sound geeza but most of the 3rd paragraph in page 3 is about me? :S <_< i really dont care but instead of putting the things that happened just put my name.

o look, all the bad stuff and complaints that have been going on (about me!) and waynio is still winning events???? and why??? he doesnt listen or let all this petty shit get to him. he goes to an event has fun and enjoys himself and enjoys talking to people there. there are way too many people who "Hide" behind the computer screen and have a Jekyll and Hyde type personality.

just lets all calm down have a nice cup of tea/coffee and forget all this petty sheet, then go to the next trial have fun and enjoy ourselves the people who dont are the people who are putting the sport in disrepute...........

i aint posting again in this topic. i just want people to get along and just ignore this now. i knew something like this was going to come up on here, i shud have started a topic before anyone else. as i was speaking to someone at the weekend about this being done. it doesnt or didnt need doing.

[Mike Poyzer @ Onza]

As I stated earlier in this thread, I have a vested interest in this issue , so I am not going to air my thoughts on it. There have however been a lot of comments about the Butlers made on this thread and I would like to add my views on them. I have been connected with them now for a considerable period and there is no doubt that their commitment to the sport is 100%.

David and his whole family worked tirelessly for us last year at the Cycle 2004 trials competition which we organised and funded. They had no financial reward for it and it would be true to say that their commitment and knowledge of the sport were instrumental in making it the success that it was.

I owe them a debt of gratitude and I cannot help feeling that this commitment and enthusiasm for Trials should be nurtured and harnessed by the powers that be and it should not be allowed to dissipate through petty sqabbles and contentious issues.

I would also add this general comment. In any sport, if an organising body does not field the best team at their disposal they are failing the country which they purport to represent.

[Badboy]

o look, all the bad stuff and complaints that have been going on (about me!) and waynio is still winning events????

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So is Dan, but it seems there are some people out there who dont want him to win, or ride, an are making life hard for him.

[Waynio]

thats why it all will stop as soon as stuff like this blows over.

no one is stopping dan winning and will not stop him winning..............

just close the topic and let it lie. if you cant then just keep posting crap in here and making yourself look more of an idiot.

mike i have spoken to dave today and had a word with him about a few niggles and things will be sorted i dont see any problems going to arise, dan has arranged to do the UCI's instead that was something that he has been lucky to fall back on.

Waynio........................

CLOSE THE THREAD...................the longer it is open the longer that the arguements are going to go on................

EDIT: if it doesnt get closed by a moderator its obvios the forum should be called "Arguement forum" as the mods are not helping the situation if they keep it open for people to be able to argue at free will.

Edited July 7, 2005 by Waynio

[ScotchDave]

Wayne, why shouldn't people argue if they want to? Theyt may make themselves look like tossers but they still have the right to defend their views.

Edited July 7, 2005 by div

[D-L-B]

Just out of interest, does anybody know of any riders who were selected despite not quite filling the full criteria layed out below?..

1) On their qualified status from the 2004 British Championships

2) On their results from the 2004 British Championships

3) On actually sending their entry in on time

4) On sending the necessary documentation and fee with the entry

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If so, then there may be more too it. But so far it looks like people are reading far too much into this decision.

Dan

[Waynio]

Wayne, why shouldn't people argue if they want to? Theyt may make themselves look like tossers but they still have the right to defend their views.

but we dont want people to be like that in theory especially in trials with it being so small.

Chill pill - coffee - go out riding = nice trials community :S <_<

if it cant be done:

stress heads - drugs - chavs - no bike riding = gay boys! simple

Waynio....................

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D-L-B pro's such as akrigg, Hawzee and Ashton get their entry already sorted as it is obvious that they will be going(they just fill a form out to say which they will be attending). Ashton has got his name down as he might be going he may not. Also "MASTERS" at world level IE there is only 5/6 UK riders are seeded for this Akrigg, Hawzee, Ashton, James Hyland, Ben Savage are 5 that i fully know of that dont need to do anything but tick a few boxes to say which rounds there going to. unfortunatly danny b isnt as yet. but if he rode the worlds and won or come 2nd or 3rd overall he would qualify as a "Master" world rider.

speaking to Chris Akrigg at mo about all this and he said that it used to be that "Masters" or "Elite" riders obviosly one is 20" and other is 26" that if you were a rider in this category as in you having to qualify by riding world rounds you automatically get a place BUT your place does not count on a 20 man english team. its like auto matic promotion in football you have earned the right to go YET you can still take 20 other riders. UNLESS that has changed i do not know i dont make the rules or make them apply. EVEN if Martyn Ashton rides and someone moans i would rather see all the UK known pros and such forth up there im not taking anything away from Danny B at all. this topic should be closed sealed and shut off by now. its going to be SHUT DOWN!!!!!!!!!! or need it doing to it to stop this crap.................

Edited July 7, 2005 by Waynio

[Towler]

Maybe people spend to much time on this forum, and as far as all the arguments... they make me laugh. Maybe everyone that complain about bitterness on the forum should cut down on the amount of time they spend on it?

[aust]

wayne.. if this is not petty... you nas a committee member of tyketrials must of sat at the meeting where this committee voted to add ten marks to add ten marks to the score of danny.. so youre saying you defending danny because you dont want pettyness in the sport..

[aust]

it is basically because the butlers have a bit of a reputation, i dont kow what for. but when they entered the worlds they didnt want him to come because that basically the people choosing him dont like him! if fred savage has anything to do with the choosing of the british team, then that is why! i dont have nothng wrong with fred or the butlers but i think that danny and ash could come back with a fair few points in the british teams slot!

' i know, lets leave two of the best riders in the country at home so we dont do well at the worlds!'

i think it is disgraceful

at british round number 2, when danny was handing his card in, as you do, he gobbed on the floor, and the people taking the cards in started having a go at him, saying it is the most digusting thing they have ever seen! at brit round number 3 this sunday, that has now turned into ' he spat at barbara wright!'  i saw it with my own eyes and he was leaning over towards the floor and just gobbed to the floor, no where near barbara! i think that this has also affected his place in the team!

there is probably many more reasons but...

joE!

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i.e the above testomy of an independant

[aust]

People pretty much do know, but certain people don't want to put exactly why it's happened, it's just "political".

Round 2 of the nationals explained.

Danny was doing a section, I was second observer while I was waiting, danny was riding, the observer gave a 5 to him because he thought his front wheel went over a tape, but it was in the air (over tape not a flag) so it was not a five, I saw this and so did other people, the problem was the observer did not know the rules so danny had to suffer.

Basically he put a request in to barbara to talk about the decision and take further action because it could have lost him the 1st place, danny said, if he still won he would not need to take it any further, and he did still win, all was well.

Danny got letters through the post saying he has been docked 10 points from the trial for SPITTING, which is rather pathetic, so now danny has only got the points for 2nd place which is not fair, now if danny would have got that 5 taken off he would still have won with the 10 docked points, basically, the people in charge must have gathered this.

It's quite obvious somebody up there has it in for the family, and it's so political now, it's a war of who has the most power, and danny can't do anything about it, a lot of people may not believe any of this because the people in charge are very nice people, which I agree they are, but I think something is wrong here and it;snot good, and no good for competitions, competitions are going down the pan anyway, and especially the nationals, and this doesn;t make it any better knowing the level of hierachy between certain people is affecting the sport and the fairness of how it is run.

Get them in the team, and stop the bitterness whoever is resonsible.

Phil.

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and a second one.. here phil talks of the incident that danny was given a five for at section 6.. and i think phil will also comfirm that danny never swore at the observer and neither did his dad.. they are proffessional enough to know not to swear at observers.. im sure that there are top people who are in posittions or where in positions of biu ie the matthew's would say that these people took there last ban on the chin did there time and fully know the rules of the sport from this..

[D-L-B]

D-L-B pro's such as akrigg, Hawzee and Ashton get their entry already sorted as it is obvious that they will be going(they just fill a form out to say which they will be attending). Ashton has got his name down as he might be going he may not. Also "MASTERS" at world level IE there is only 5/6 UK riders are seeded for this Akrigg, Hawzee, Ashton, James Hyland, Ben Savage are 5 that i fully know of that dont need to do anything but tick a few boxes to say which rounds there going to. unfortunatly danny b isnt as yet. but if he rode the worlds and won or come 2nd or 3rd overall he would qualify as a "Master" world rider.

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Your point being?

Nobody said Danny was expecting to be automatically entered in Master. From what I gather he applied to ride in Expert...

Dan

[Badboy]

wayne.. if this is not petty... you as a committee member of tyketrials must of sat at the meeting where this committee voted to add ten marks to the score of danny.. so youre saying you defended danny because you dont want pettyness in the sport..

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Very well put Aust.

For the marks to have been added to Dans score, over 2weeks after the 'alleged' incident, then a committe meeting must have taken place for this to be voted on, and the defendant must have been present to take the verdict. As per the rules an regulations that we follow, ie. BIU rules an the rules of the UK governing body the ACU.

Dont think that happened somehow!

What ever happens with regards to Dan an Ash riding at the world round there is no denying that some people have it in for them, they are constantly fighting to keep their heads above water. Which in this world as you say waynio is very petty, everyone should get along!

[Waynio]

yes obviosly D-L-B.

and for your information aust i have not sat in any meeting about this.

im not getting involved any way cos its all bullshit and you sat there on your computa aint making it any better you just keep making an arguement stir more.

i only spend time on here when im at work either through my dinner or at a tea break.

as for you all i really couldnt give a SH!T what happens cos your all never going to change your all going to be as you are now. i spoke to dave about it and it seems as though me/he was orite, its just the less knowlegable people on here throwing in their orr when they dont need to.

Waynio................... :S <_<

thats why i wasnt going to get involved but when people accuse other people of something they havent done then i feel it not necessary to be shady about it. if you have a problem why dont you speak direct to someone about it???instead of making a HOOOOO HAAAA up on Arguement Forum. mind you most of you are kids under the age of 16!!!! you should have parental Guidance stuck next to your name. under the age of 16 should have PG next to them then we know weahter to take people serious or not. im not having a go but some of the posts in this thread i can guess that people are either A) above 16 or (N) below 16.

the biggest man in this post so far is back on page3! Drevil which is Tim from leeds. and the smallest can be the person stirring most of the SH!T which i cant work out who it could be

Also if you think its me you go and ask dave if i have spoken to him and ask him if iv been fair and reasonable. iv not made anything against or said anything as i know what usually happens..................

[Danny]

That will do for now.