spunkey_monkey_boy Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 so what to do? its time for a new crankset and i'm getting echo cranks but do i go front frewheel and get an old shimano hub to weld up or do i run a fixed cog and use my rear hope mono hub? oh yeah its on a stock and also do you think stepping down from 175's to 170's will change the handling/feel of the bike much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Fixed front. no question. Fixed rear too if poss :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Fixed, cos hope HUBS suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted June 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Fixed, cos hope HUBS suck. ← top sales pitch from the man selling a pile of hope hubs... i assume you meant fixed rear and FFW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 top sales pitch from the man selling a pile of hope hubs... i assume you meant fixed rear and FFW... ← Lols, ANyody will see why i brake them when they see me ride. Hope hubs are great, just not for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SQuiT-man Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Lols, ANyody will see why i brake them when they see me ride. Hope hubs are great, just not for me ← Lmfao. Good weeveling out of it there Davey boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIX Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 If your getting the cranks any way then I would say go for the ffw. Mainly because I think you will get better engagment (i think) and it looks to be relativly cheap. Can you get hold of an old hub and have the facility to get it locked up?? If you do then it cant hurt to try a £10 acs can it. I know they break and come loose but if you can, when you take your hub to be welded then get then to put a tack on the lock ring aswell. And even when it does break its only another £10 rather then sending it back to hope (which although is fantastic service still takes time). If you like it then you could get the eno or go back to your hope. The only thing is can you get descent sizes of cog/sproket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Get a hope hub, you will regret it if you don't. Fix and forget. Great warranty if things do go wrong too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Rear freewheel, even if you don't want a Hope hub, maybe try a DMR Revolver and get an ACS or Eno and stick it on there. I got along fine with FFW when I had a mod, broke a Shimano in three months then had an ACS Claw for well over 18, once it had bedded in it only skipped once or twice in 18months which is pretty good going. I think that freewheel is still going strong today. But you already have the Hope hub, what's your track record with it, has it skipped or broke in the past? Personally I see no real advantages, I think the only reason they come on comp bikes is because it's cheaper and lighter isn't it? But on a stock where you're not too fussed about weight I don't see the need to go FFW. N.B. Wasn't it you ages ago damning all these new ways of getting engagement, ffw's and Profiles and CK's and how we should all just buy Shimanos because your one had lasted years? What happened to the Shimano :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 What happened to the Shimano :) ← i sold it :) anyway atm i have a revolver hub with a claw on the back and a big ring on the front but i'm buying new cranks to save weight and get a bit more clearance on the front. i can either put a claw on there and build a new rear wheel or i could put a fixed cog on there and get a new rear rim. the mono i have hasn't been used for trials but i've used other ones before and never had any trouble with them at all. to be honest its the weight that i'm trying to shave off because my bikes real heavy and i'm riding more natty now. i'm not going to buy a profile or king because there is absiloutely no need but if i were running front freewheel i would consider an ENO because my understanding is claws dont last as long on the front as they do on the rear? the engagement i have with the claw is more than enough and the mono although a bit less isn't much less (21?) so thats not a problem. hmm dilema because i really dont know which way to go. if i re build the hope wheel then i dont have a matching pair of wheels to sell anymore. if i build a new wheel it'll cost more and i'll have to get the hub welded up. i'm gonna go check out the weights and try and let that aid my descision... keep the comments coming :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I think if you're wanting to save weight, it's best not to fook around the thing which is reliable enough to not break and for you to land on your face. What's the spec of your bike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) leeson clear 660 frame (yes i know its heavy but i love it) pashlet forks crappy headset (to be replaced) zoo bar and stem front hope ti on f519 (about to change to planet x on koxx rim) front panracer fire xc pro front avid SD7 and lever FSA afterburner cranks with 22t ring and r,ring (soon to be changed to echo's) un52 bb welgo v12 copies rear dmr revelover with acs claw on sun fat mamoth (to be changed) mitchelin comp 24 tyre rear maggie with goodridge hose there we have it, i'm not going to go so light weight i can't trust my parts but i wana shed some weight... Edited June 28, 2005 by spunkey_monkey_boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I have the exact front freewheel set up you suggested. Echo cranks/ACS and a welded up deore. I have ran FFW for a while on different bike and liked it but experimented with revolver/ACS set up whiich was good but went back to FFW for clearance reasons on my pitbull. FFW is great. I always weld my lockring on the ACS though and they last, don't know how long but I can't see anything happening to them once welded. ZOO! bash guard is tasty, at around £15 its quite good value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 ZOO! bash guard is tasty, at around £15 its quite good value for money. ← i'll be getting a lexan bash pretty soon :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 That doesn't sound too heavy to me, maybe try out a Maxxis on the back, they're supposedly a fair bit lighter than the Michelins. Maybe get some VP pedals, they're good and light. I think it'd be better to just carry on riding it and getting more used to the weight and then overall you'll have more control over the bike. Ach weel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 i think its the rear wheel and frame thats doing it. i'm gonna change the crank set up and rear wheel and see how things feel :) oh yeah and i think i'm gonna go FFW using my revolver hub with a fixed cog :( (if i can get the claw off!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipsy Jock Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 i think its the rear wheel and frame thats doing it. i'm gonna change the crank set up and rear wheel and see how things feel :) oh yeah and i think i'm gonna go FFW using my revolver hub with a fixed cog :( (if i can get the claw off!!!) ← Angle grinder! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) hey dude, will you be getting a deore hub welded up, because they are weighty buggers and the FFW setup will probably be heavier than the fixed cog and hope. Your setup doesn't seem over heavy at the moment (except that rear rim) What rim are you going for, D521 with a 2.2 michelin would be a good combo and you could probably run a lighter tube in the rear too. Also have you messed about with your gears, try going one tooth bigger on the rear and see if you like that. (what you running at the moment). mike EDIT: damn you said you were going to run a revolver hub in the time it took me to reply Edited June 28, 2005 by leedstrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Angle grinder! :( ← i'd like to be able to still use it afterwards!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 at the mo i'm running 22-18 which is waaay too hard for natty so i'm s=thinking of stepping down to 18-16 or 16-14. i'm now thinking about drilling the ass off my sunn rim and running a fixed cog on the revolver. the hub might thread itself and the rim might die but i've got the hope/mavic wheel spare atm anyways. i think that's probably going to be the cheapest way to lose weight and i'll see how it goes... otherwise it'll be a fixed cog oop front and the hope on the rear. oh descisions descisions :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I run Tensile cranks with ACS freewheel and welded Deore hub. Apart from the fact that the bearings suck ass in the Deore, the other parts are fine. The freewheel doesn't skip, and works well. ACS is underestimated freewheels, I used one for over a year with NO maintenance at all.. Fit and forget. I'd maybe wait for the hope trials hub whenever that comes out. I am pretty sure I will, and go down to a 16t cog on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_Buchanan Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I would wait for the Hope Trials HUb to be realeased,i cant see it being that long of now as the one they have just done for my freind with 72 pick up points seems to be the best one yet. Think they have got it right on that one anyway lets hope so,will be the hub to have when its released id suspect >_<" Looks the stuff anyway. Acs claws i think are pretty poor,they come loose after every ride,you even find yourself tightening them up on rides because they are loose.AYou see alot of the pros using them though,i seem to remember benito ross having one at koxx days. With the white industries i think they are the best freewheel very smooth and stuff but for the price they sell at i dont think there worth it mine nakcered up after a few months,and there forever skipping. Wait for the new hope hub....Any questions about it pm trial noir..... Lee >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIX Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Slightly off topic, but why is 22-18 to hard for natural?? And do you think the new hope trial hub would be better to have than a king?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunkey_monkey_boy Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 i'm not buying a new hub, i've already got a mono... 22-18 is way too hard for natty i've found, obviously it depends what sort of natural your riding but i'm finding it too hard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 (edited) at the mo i'm running 22-18 which is waaay too hard for natty so i'm s=thinking of stepping down to 18-16 or 16-14. ← Oops :"> Edited June 28, 2005 by David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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