New Onza Frame

[Caleb]

Ah right pretty interested stuff.

A steal t-raptor?

So is the t-mag basically an 04 python short and the new tmag an 05 pitbull long?

i suppose thats one solution to the weak bashmounts, remove them from the frame.

Good of onza anyway to help us riders out by producing good frames at cheap prices unlike many other firms :)

[Mark W]

The T-Mag's kinda different from the Python. No side plates, different seat-tube config., different geo, different stay design, etc. :)

The steel T-Raptor weighed more than the combined weight of Jade from Big Brother + Lisa Riley + every Star Wars nerd combined + every broken Echo ES frame combined + ... you get the idea. We're talking beasty.

[Caleb]

Lmao that much eh. Shame they were such nice looking frames aswell :)"

[Mark W]

Just found my "T-Bone Stuff" folder I thought I'd lost... Anyway, yeah, this is typically what happened:

And that's the basic frame. There were different headtube gussets, rest was mostly the same. Project sorta fizzled out, really (sadly)...

A few of the many pics from my Onza case study adventure :( Got me an A for D&T at A-level, so I was happy :) But yeah, the "Prototype" is the T-Raptor downtube - all that I was allowed to take a pic of from that bike. The two mod frames are a pair of my T-Bones. I also got to get my MBUK chainstay guard back 'cos I'd forgotten to take it off before postage :">

[Caleb]

Ah cool it actually looks as if it builds into a very nice bike.

was that yours with the hope headset/fsa ?

[Mark W]

Cheap DDG headset? Why yes, yes it was :)

[Caleb]

Its funny how the forum bcomes more frequently used as a messenger service as time flies by, i have to be up in 65 hours to be at school for a gcse but im too excited :)" honest . . .

it would be nice to see onza attempt another steel frame when they have time, would be a good seller imo.

So were you and olly basically sponsored by onza to test their frames?

sounds pretty fun if so.

I wonder when the demmand and style for frames will change if it ever will. i mean by the looks of old vids quite a lots possible on nearly any bike so there all proven to work, just some better than others.

I wonder what will appear next?

[JT!]

STILL not reading properly... especially Mark

Onza, to be fair, dont have the kind of reputation they deserve. Two of their better frames are regarded to be copies, so no "reputation" is at stake.

SO... releasing an off the shelf frame will cover the prototyping costs for their own design frame and give them someting to fall back onto if the design they eventually release is just too weird for Joe public...

So saying that onza need to have guts to release the Ben Slinger proto is justified, its a big leap in frame design, and covering their backs by releasing a copy of the python would be ideal if it all goes wrong.

How many people have bought a T Pro? Loads. And how many people have thought, "I'll have an onza, but i want a long mod" So how many Python copies would they sell? More than the T Pro i reckon. Which would be a lot more money to play with to give them the budget to actually release crazy designs like Ben Slingers mod.

I keep saying the same thing over and over using different phrasing; but only one person has the idea of what im on about

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I sort of know what your saying. Release a blatent copy of the python (or something along those lines) and sell them like hotcakes, and then dick about with other prototypes whilest the money is rolling in. :(" People want long frames, full stop.

By the way, i don't think steel frames will ever take off really, but i'm basing that on absolutly nothing. :)

Edited June 15, 2005 by JT!

[TheCircus]

By the way, i don't think steel frames will ever take off really, but i'm basing that on absolutly nothing.

To be honest, 5 years ago who would have predicted bikes to be getting longer?

I think it would be a very hard job to predict correctly what kind of bikes are going to be popular later on. For example, about 3 years ago, short frames were the nuts for trials, frames such as the zebdi and leesons were both examples of how short frames can makes a great riding trials bike. Then 3 years on, zebdi's are becoming less and less favoured over long frames such as St.Blaise and XTP etc.

But, I don't think that anyone can say that a frame (well, most frames) are going to have a huge effect on your riding ability. Yes, a longer frame such as a coustellier may make you better at backwheeling etc, but it will be detrimental to the manualing ability you had on a zebdi, leeson, curtis etc.

Who knows? Maybe steel copies of the leeson will be next in line for Onza? I'm certainly not complaining if it is. One must also take into account that steel frames also come with a generally high price tag (Leeson, Curtis) so if Onza can produce a frame based around the geometry of the leeson or curtis, but without the price tag, I think they could be onto a winner.

[Mark W]

Yeah, I can remember people saying the Koxx LB 1065's were super long and could only be use for ultra UCI riding and now people are doing proper street stuff on 1060 Pure's, Control's, etc... Times change, I guess.

[Munki]

Is it just me or have Onza done more for the current British trials scene than any other company producing frames at the moment?

[N.Wood]

Nope, i fully agree...

Think of all the newbies (and not-so-newbies for that matter) that own a T-Pro.

Then all the people who own a T-Rex, or a T-Raptor.

Without Onza, all those people would have to buy different bikes/frames, and i don't know of another company that offers high quality goods at such low prices.

[andyroo]

Nope, i fully agree...

Think of all the newbies (and not-so-newbies for that matter) that own a T-Pro.

Then all the people who own a T-Rex, or a T-Raptor.

Without Onza, all those people would have to buy different bikes/frames, and i don't know of another company that offers high quality goods at such low prices.

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Which makes releasing an expensive frame for half the price a good thing :blink:

Goes to show they're in it for the trials not the money

[PaRtZ]

it appears i haev joined this thread too late to join in the argument but never the less ill join in anyway

I think i know what androo meant though. He said that Onza make predominently "short" mods in comparison to zoo, koxx, echo etc. I dont think its fair comparison really, considering zoo have 2 mods, koxx have 4 mods, and echo only has 1 mod, while onza has about 9 now?

And as for the 'lower price, lower quality' thing that USED to be true but isn't anymore. As consumers have more of a disposible income, they dont want to be buying products which cost £300. Instead they want something which costs £100 and when it breaks sooner, they'll just go out and buy another one

EG. I'd rather spend £160 on a T-pro frame than £400 on a koxx. They have close on the same geometry except the Koxx is alot stronger.

As for the mod, im glad they've mdae it really because I wanted a python but not one that is 1040 (or whatever it is). Good idea from onza there in my opinion

[Burton]

I'd rather spend £160 on a T-pro frame than £400 on a koxx. They have close on the same geometry except the Koxx is alot stronger.

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Not really...there is a kid on here who had his mod frame for a few weeks before it died( he had some glittery rim tape, blue koxx) cracked near the head tube. they have the same design (pretty much)..but id still say theyre equal in strength and quality.

Even though Onza put the crappy annoying internal headsets in them :blink:

[Hobnobs]

Whats wrong with internal headsets?

From my experience, they are much better, and seem to stay smooth for longer. + They dont flare headtubes.

[ScotchDave]

I took a brand new internal headset out of a bike at work yesterday, it felt absolutely rank. :blink:

[Hobnobs]

Did it have sealed bearings? If not, that was why.

[Mike Poyzer @ Onza]

An interesting thread, it is good to see what many people think of us and our products and I am encouraged by the general level of support for us. Just a few points to clear up.

1. The frame in the opening comment is in production and will be available in 6 to 8 weeks. It obviously borrows heavily from many designs already out there but then very few frames don't. Price to be announced.

2. The 26" frame as used in prototyping by Dan Butler and Thomas Ohler ( our Austrian rider) is finalised in the latest version being used by Dan and is also down for production, timescale also about 6 to 8 weeks.

3. The prototype being used by Ben Slinger is very radical and still needs some work but we have every intention of putting it into our 2006 range, due out before Christmas.

4. A direct tie up with Chris King in the States gives us the opportunity to spec their standard headsets on many of our 2006 higher models as well as fitting some of their hubs, so the above two frames will be our first for some time to use conventional head tubes in readiness for this change.

5. The T-Bone is still a project which is on the go but has been on the back burner in recent times. It will be resumed at some stage.

6. The tensile freewheel is at last approaching production. Some delays have occured due to slight mods and Euro design registration process but it is nearly there. We apologise for the delays.

7. We have developed a new 60 click, 4 sealed bearing rear freehub now being tested by one of our riders, which hopefully will prove up to the job in hand, for trials riding. If ok should be out by September.

Also, plans are now well under way for a repeat of last years massive trials competition at the Cycle 2005 show, this year changing date and venue to the London ExCel Exhibition Centre in Docklands (new site of the Motor show).

This years promises to be bigger and better with a 5000 Euro purse to the winners. Make a note in your diaries for October 13th to 16th.

Thanks again to all our friends out there for your continuing support.

[Hobnobs]

An interesting thread, it is good to see what many people think of us and our products and I am encouraged by the general level of support for us. Just a few points to clear up.

1. The frame in the opening comment is in production and will be available in 6 to 8 weeks. It obviously borrows heavily from many designs already out there but then very few frames don't. Price to be announced.

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I love you, my team is on its last legs!

[Will Arnold]

An interesting thread, it is good to see what many people think of us and our products and I am encouraged by the general level of support for us. Just a few points to clear up.

1. The frame in the opening comment is in production and will be available in 6 to 8 weeks. It obviously borrows heavily from many designs already out there but then very few frames don't. Price to be announced.

2. The 26" frame as used in prototyping by Dan Butler and Thomas Ohler ( our Austrian rider) is finalised in the latest version being used by Dan and is also down for production, timescale also about 6 to 8 weeks.

3. The prototype being used by Ben Slinger is very radical and still needs some work but we have every intention of putting it into our 2006 range, due out before Christmas.

4. A direct tie up with Chris King in the States gives us the opportunity to spec their standard headsets on many of our 2006 higher models as well as fitting some of their hubs, so the above two frames will be our first for some time to use conventional head tubes in readiness for this change.

5. The T-Bone is still a project which is on the go but has been on the back burner in recent times. It will be resumed at some stage.

6. The tensile freewheel is at last approaching production. Some delays have occured due to slight mods and Euro design registration process but it is nearly there. We apologise for the delays.

7. We have developed a new 60 click, 4 sealed bearing rear freehub now being tested by one of our riders, which hopefully will prove up to the job in hand, for trials riding. If ok should be out by September.

Also, plans are now well under way for a repeat of last years massive trials competition at the Cycle 2005 show, this year changing date and venue to the London ExCel Exhibition Centre in Docklands (new site of the Motor show).

This years promises to be bigger and better with a 5000 Euro purse to the winners. Make a note in your diaries for October 13th to 16th.

Thanks again to all our friends out there for your continuing support.

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this is ace to hear, i cant wait to see all the new products being ridden etc :blink:

good job!

Will

[ScotchDave]

6. The tensile freewheel is at last approaching production. Some delays have occured due to slight mods and Euro design registration process but it is nearly there. We apologise for the delays.

7. We have developed a new 60 click, 4 sealed bearing rear freehub now being tested by one of our riders, which hopefully will prove up to the job in hand, for trials riding. If ok should be out by September.

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At last the tensile freewheel lives, I'll probably never use one, but I've been waiting to see it since some time last year.

Also this new hub sounds good, shame I already have a king. :blink:

[Tartridge]

7. We have developed a new 60 click, 4 sealed bearing rear freehub now being tested by one of our riders, which hopefully will prove up to the job in hand, for trials riding. If ok should be out by September.

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Also this new hub sounds good

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It looks good too, very good design :blink:

[Siders77]

It looks good too, very good design :blink:

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You got any pics of it Ad? :'(

[Tomm]

2. The 26" frame as used in prototyping by Dan Butler and Thomas Ohler ( our Austrian rider) is finalised in the latest version being used by Dan and is also down for production, timescale also about 6 to 8 weeks.

Cool :'(

4. A direct tie up with Chris King in the States gives us the opportunity to spec their standard headsets on many of our 2006 higher models as well as fitting some of their hubs, so the above two frames will be our first for some time to use conventional head tubes in readiness for this change.

So... Chris King headsets are better than Internal headsets? But internal headsets are still better than normal headsets? :blink:

7. We have developed a new 60 click, 4 sealed bearing rear freehub now being tested by one of our riders, which hopefully will prove up to the job in hand, for trials riding. If ok should be out by September.

Sounds good, doesn't that jeopardise your relation with CK though?

Andyroo is talking sense, but we all know how much stick Onza would get for bringing out a direct Zoo copy just to make money. Onza's main problem at the moment is their reputation, which is improving all the time. A Zoo copy would just reverse that I reckon. In the long run it's better I reckon.

And Onza are cool, they are doing lots for the trials scene in this country, and we are getting good, solid, cheap frames. Stop moaning :o

P.S. Zebdi's aren't that short. Well not compared to the normal Leeson 660 which is about |<->| long. But yes, shorter than a Koxx :P