Mr Dave Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) Okies, Whilst riding today a guy came up to us and basically said the usual about how amazing it all is, but he said something that made me think. He said it is hard enough balancing on 2 wheels, let alone on one wheel... Pretty obvious really. But then I thought, well at the moment for most people balance on the backwheel without hoping isn’t possible for very long. Freddie™ says: However, "normal" people cant balance on 2 wheels for more than a few seconds. Therefore people believe it is impossible to do for any length of time… This has been proven wrong by us trials riders... So why can’t we take it even further and balance on the back wheel without hoping for longer than a few seconds? (I know you can do it occasionally, but I mean consistently for a long period of Freddie™ says: time.) Obviously it is going to be harder, but surely with practise it can be done... Another example is manuals. Everyone finds them impossible, but after months of practise you’re finally able to react quickly to every direction to which the bike is tilting when in the manual. Now, probably none of that makes sense. What do you all think ? Tar Edited June 12, 2005 by Mr Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocktrials Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 that does make sense dave, yet im not going to say anything else, interesting to read about though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) Tar :mellow: no comment though - implying im talking rubbish ? lol?? cant leave me hanging obvisly it would take more practise.. Im guessing this would also dromatically improve you balence with everything else..... Edited June 12, 2005 by Mr Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADBob Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 When on both wheels you have sideways control by either twisting the bars or rolling the front wheel a bit (bars at an angle). When manualling, you have sideways control because you are rolling, and can steer. The problem with balancing on the back wheel is this lack of sideways control. Obviously you can try to lean each way, but without hopping it's very hard to correct your movements. That make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) yeah it does, but what im tryin to get at is, it seemed impossible to balence on 2 wheels when you couldnt...... there are ways of keeping your balence on backwheel, moving you body from side to side obivsly, turning the bars helps a lil bit, and pushing one end away from you and pulling the other end towards you... then push your bars away or pulling them towards you and leaning over them..... :mellow: thing is, these are less affective, but after practise if you can react quickly enough, surely theyd be affective enough then ??? Dave, thanks for the comments lads Edited June 12, 2005 by Mr Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 If you watch some recent vids of Vincent Hermance you'll see he does do this quite often, not usually for a long time but he is doeing it, maybe we'll soon see him achieve this "impossibility". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) don't use your brakes when on the back wheel and i find i can balance longer without hopping, takes practice but can be fun, and if you do roll through grab your brake and rebalance Edited June 12, 2005 by chrishayton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADBob Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 don't use your brakes when on the back wheel and i find i can balance longer without hopping, takes practice but can be fun, and if you do roll through grab your brake and rebalance ← So you're saying we should be able to roll backwards and forwards on the back wheel and so could adjust our balance point? Interesting :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benno Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 the way i balance on two wheels without hopping is trackstanding, which gives you that little sideways roll from the front wheel to correct your balance sideways (obviously forwards and backwards shouldn't pose too much of a problem :- ) but you can't do this on the back wheel! i think someone further up said that the main problem is going to be sideways, back and forth shouldn't be too hard... might be worth a try to learn, i can see it looking very controlled, although if you need to correct your position (the main reason people hop around?) it falls apart a bit. /ramble :mellow: ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 no rolling would defeat the object :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleharrys Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Yeah I get what you saying man, I have been trying to this on the edge of drop offs, I started by seeing how many hops I could do on the same spot on the edge of a drop, now I have stopped hopping and just tried to balance on the back wheel. I think the best is about 5-7 seconds which is lame, but im working on it. Harry msn (Littleharrys@hotmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyoyo Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I suppose if you dont move too much in either direction then you can keep it balenced,but it would take a long time to master,nice idea though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 i dont think its possible. plus, why would you need to unless your name is leech. taR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Motivator Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Depending on wind.. I usualy hop to backwheel and pause there for a max of 3 secs before I start to boon to the egde and then pause at the edge again before i drop or gap. Looks cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thechink Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 why do you boon to the edge. i find it knackering to boon. just kick roll stop hop once or twice balance GAP. watch the matt staples promo video and watch him near the end on the rail. tioooooo pimp thechink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy P Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Speak to nick goddard. It seems the gravity law does not apply to him. Andy P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butcha87 Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Speak to nick goddard. It seems the gravity law does not apply to him. Andy P ← So true! (N) At the start of his vid where he balances on top of the log,by just letting his back wheel roll back and sticking his knees out!oh my god! (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backgren Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 (edited) If you want to practice control on the backwheel, try backhopping without using the back brake. In a uphill slope it shouldn't be too hard. After a while you should be able to stay quite still on the backwheel for a few minutes. EDIT:.Just remembered, Vincent does this in a few vids. Edited June 14, 2005 by Backgren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Staples Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 David, no. It's possible on 12'' kids bikes, and while standing on the rear pegs of a BMX. I'm afraid that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Motivator Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 why do you boon to the edge. i find it knackering to boon. just kick roll stop hop once or twice balance GAP. ← Well I kick about 10 inches fro the edge and then boon the rest. I can boon like a foot at a time lol and not get tired :( Just seems easy on my bike. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Well I kick about 10 inches fro the edge and then boon the rest. I can boon like a foot at a time lol and not get tired ^_^ Just seems easy on my bike. Sam ← eeekkkk...be careful it you start 10 inches and boon a foot, you will end up practically off the wall :( ;) sorry :"> yeah I actually think this is possible. Maybe not yet, but but think of someone like vincent or leech in 5/10 years time, boundarys will be pushed in height, techy stuff and it suppose this too. I doubt anyone could balance for hours like you can trackstand, but for 30/40 seconds or so. Look at the balance of flatlanders/skateboarders too, no reason at all why this ain't doable! I suppose backhopping up a slope brakeless is a good way to start (maybe) and thats easy and fun (on natty especaially) 0.02p Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dave Posted June 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 woo people like my idea... thanks for the input, mike, i dont think it would take 5/10 years though :P ( if thats what u meant) and to who said why bother, to improve your balence :) Matt im disapointed in you, actualy i think your just trying to cover up your training technique :( yeah i mess about holding it on backwheel on a slope every now and then, prob the best place to start, however its quite a bit easyer. Tar Dave :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Motivator Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 eeekkkk...be careful it you start 10 inches and boon a foot, you will end up practically off the wall :) :) sorry :"> ← I can boon off walls :(" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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